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Look for new Apple I'm A Mac ads, where PC is a puppet for Mac. i.e. running Windows.

just a hunch

I would think that spreading the word that you needn't run Windows on a Mac would be sufficient to boost Mac Market Share!

MDN Magic Word: "average" - the average consumer does not yet realize there is an alternative to the nightmare that is Windows.

I think publicizing that Macs run Windows is a bit of a detriment with all the craptacular Windows issues that are out there

It is odd toe that this is considered to be suc a hughly important feature, especially since it is something that you could do for quite some time if you really wanted or needed. I ran virtual pc on my powerPC mac for years. Was GREAT but it was a solution for the one or two win apps i needed.

The other thing, i know very few mac users that even care about this feature or have ever used it.

The types of people who would want, or need, to run Windows should just buy PCs. Too many of their kind on our platform already, the inevitable result being Mac application travesties such as "Macintosh Explorer." So what's the over/under on seeing a Mac version of BeigeMaker Pro 2000? Ugh! Just keep them out.

boy bummer i can't edit my last post. Typing on an iphone maybe isn't the best...

i seem to recall a Get A Mac ad that went something like this:

Mac : "I'm a Mac"
PC" "and I'm a PC"
Mac: "and I'm a PC too"

then it ended up with PC whining about depreciating. classic. =)

@uiuuu

Are you drunk? Anyway, the ability for a Mac to run Windows is an incredible selling point, and it's one that I employ regularly for apps like Microsoft Access and Visio. I need to be able to access and collaborate with them, and it's GREAT to not have two machines for this purpose.

GODDAM FOOLS!!!

Microsoft has ALREADY closed the door with Apple hardware running Windows in the future.

It's called DIRECTX. Which hardware running it will have to get a license from Microsoft.

Now try running the full version of Vista or 3D Windows games on a future version Vista without DirectX.

Also Microsoft can tap EFI to keep Windows only on hardware it wants too.

Microsoft will protect it's hardware vendors from a Apple assault trust me.

Apple can't supply or won't supply the worlds vast needs for computing hardware anyway. Either for outrageous profits or simply can't supply that much demand.

Look at the glossy screens, you have to take a glossy new MacBook or iMac OR FSCKING ELSE. No choice of matte and no choice = bad.

Windows doesn't suck because it runs on HP or Dell. It won't suck any less on a Mac. Its sucks because, well, it sucks. A Mac won't help. Get a Mac because OS X is far superior to Windows. Tell people that.

Opps! I just ran out of chill pills. Anybody got a couple fist fulls for Smart Fellow?

Good for comforting the new buyer...

No-one uses Windows on a Mac after the first week...

Yeah, and I could sell my soul to the devil - but is it worth the price?

Oh good, the glossy screen comments have started. Keep 'em coming, posters!

Anyway, back on topic. Why would I destroy the magnificent Windows experience by using XP or Vista on Apple's toy hardware? Windows on a Dell
is nirvana. It's pretty damn good on HP or even Gateway hardware too. Apple doesn't have a clue when it comes to hardware. Dorks.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Yeah what's up Smart Fellows ass anyway.

YEP, I would say you put that one on right.

As far as the article, "Now that Windows can be installed on Macs, sales could really explode. "
What kind of Kool Aid is this guy drinking??? :-(

The average guy loves windows (ps what is that? Is that the buttons on the front or the screen that looks like a window?). So of course he will buy anything with windows on it. Of course it has to be the cheapest unit on the market, say $250. but have the biggest specs. (what ever those are. Say, are "specs" the same as my daddys glasses??? )

I remember a "computer smart" person telling me they knew all about computers and that to turn off the computer, they just pressed "this" button (it was the power button for the monitor).

Jep, joe average will rush out and buy them fruit computers (oranges, lemons, er, whatever) cause they will now run windoz. Say, isn't apple some software that goes inside their Dell so that it runs better??? )

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This is why Apple will not suddenly be accepted quickly.

"http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/" Its a hoot of a site.

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Parallels gave me the courage to switch but it didn't take long before I realised I didn't actually need Windows and now I open it up just to show how clever my Mac is - rather than to use classic Windows.

Windows looks very subordinate on a Mac - in a window in a Parallels VM.

Most of you are really myopic. The VAST majority of computer users know VERY little about Macs, and what they do "know" is 20 years of FUD. For the first time in 15 years there are good things being reported widely about Macs and Apple. But that is not enough for most Windows users to abandon a platform that they have become familiar with-- regardless of how much you and I, and even they themselves, believe that platform has problems. The security of having the "fall-back" capability of running all those Windows apps that you think you can live without on a new Mac removes a huge barrier to change. Inertia is a law of physics that carries over to human behavior. It takes a lot to get people to make a change, even when the benefits of that change are recognized. Most people are just too lazy. The author is 100% correct. Building awareness of Windows capabilities on Macs would definitely bring Macs into the consideration process when current Windows users are shopping for a new computer. And don't think MS will limit this. They sell software and they don't mind if it running on a Macintosh. It's one more license sale to them, and usually at full retail price.

PS, I love reading people's articles who suddenly discover Apple. Its like, WOW, look at this. Does anyone else know about this??? Shouldn't we tell someone???

LOL . . . . just LOL !

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Smartfellow--

What you're suggesting would be considered an abuse of Microsoft's monopoly. Were Microsoft to try such a thing, they would get spanked. Hard.

Also, you clearly need to go educate yourself on what is involved with the purchase and installation of Windows--A license to run Windows is part of the package, and that includes the whole package, including DirectX.

Re: rinkworks.com

Funny stuff!

I especially liked this one:

"I used to do tech support for a company that made computer accessories and video game accessories. We had a pay-for-access web site for one of our products. The site was full of special codes and cheats. One day, a customer called, asking how to access the site."

Tech Support: "Well, just go to [URL]."
Customer: "How do I do that?"
Tech Support: "Type it in in your web browser."
Customer: "Huh?"
Tech Support: "Ok...sir...do you have Internet access?"
Customer: "Huh? No. No Internet. I don't even have a computer."
Tech Support: "Ok, sir, you need a computer and an Internet account to access web sites."
Customer: "Oh. Well, it didn't say that when I mailed in the membership card. I want my money back."

It's not a cup holder either, people.

"Were Microsoft to try such a thing, they would get spanked. Hard."

Just now Ballmer's ears perked, his eyes glazed over and a slight but crooked grin with a small amount of drool in each corner appeared on his face.

Apple won't heavily publicize the ability to run Windows because it would give the impression Macs are superior *because* they can run Windows; a move that would make the Mac OS appear second class.

Spark, you said, "The author is 100% correct. Building awareness of Windows capabilities on Macs would definitely bring Macs into the consideration process when current Windows users are shopping for a new computer. And don't think MS will limit this."

But if that is the case, why oh why, would anyone spend more than say $350 on a computer. Afterall, cheaper is better and if you buy a Mac, then you have to "actually pay" for Windows instead of getting it free ( LOL) like with a Dell. After all Dell sells more, so it has to be better, right.

en ps, check out the link in my first post. Real postings from real --- average--- users. :-(

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I have one point to make guys, how many of you on this site are Windows -> Mac Switchers?
You switched because you either found Windows to be practically unuseable or you just found Macs were much better right?
Well you can bet Ballmer doesn't want people to geet a Mac as their next machine with a 'doze comfort zone as it allows people to directly compare the two OSs and the majority will just eventually replace most or all of their Win softare and keep away from 'doze altogether... It means lost M$ customers in the future.

But as theconfused1 pointed out they can't legally do anything to prevent one manufacturer running doze as we are talking more antitrust suits.

It's all good MacHeads!

Maybe if a organization developed a way to convert DirectX to Open GL, sort of like a project called WINE and what if people, like the folks at Crossover, made it available to the general public?

Nah, you're so smart you'd have known about something like that.

I'd like to see Apple spoof the old "I'm a Mac / I'm a PC" commercial, but use special effects to put both heads on the Mac guys' body. They could put a hat on him that says "Bootcamp."

When PC guy asks where his body is, Mac replies, "You don't need a PC to run Windows. I used Bootcamp to set up a Windows partition on my hard drive. If I need to run a Windows application, I just reboot into Windows XP or Vista."

Then a third voice speaks up, "I'm a PC too!" PC asks who it is and Mac says, "Oh, that's just virtualization. Using special software, I can run Windows applications without actually booting into Windows. that makes it easier to share data, too."

Virtual PC guy could be a head on Mac guys abdomen, like Total Recall, or he could be a little head that pops out of his pocket.

Now wouldn't that be a cool commercial? Copyright by King Mel (send me the money, Apple).

Why will people pay more for a Mac, because Windows sucks, and that's what you face buying Dell or Gateway etc. Running Windows on a Mac will be awful too. Yet, at least there is not a choice one or the other with Macs. Enjoy the Mac OS and when you have to use windows for some reason you have it taken care of.

I would hear it all the time- "don't biy a Mac, no one uses them, no software"
or "why do you want a Mac? are you a graphics designer? Movie editor?" Then you don;t need one.

Many consumers want all the wonders of Mac os, but since their work uses some proprietary Windows software they have to stick with windows.

That's the case with me. I have 6 PCs, 2 that work. They don't last a year. If that. They get so corrupted or process get hung up on the back ground causing the CPU to drain 100% for 10 hours that I'm at work just to come home and find the box near a melting point. I want a new Mac, but since I have to shell out 2K every year for a new PC or two (laptop It hasn't happened. All I know is my Mac has been running 4 years straight. On, running, maybe use it once a week, but it's never crashed, and I only have had to reboot to install system software.

Windows- At work, home, school, gotta reboot min 2x a day.
And the BSOD- F-that.
When leopard comes out I will buy a new Mac and that's where I will be sitting. And I can retire my PCs to the museum of Windows abused devices.

@@Spark-- You write:
"But if that is the case, why oh why, would anyone spend more than say $350 on a computer. Afterall, cheaper is better and if you buy a Mac, then you have to "actually pay" for Windows instead of getting it free ( LOL) like with a Dell. After all Dell sells more, so it has to be better, right."

1. The point is not to buy a Mac to use as a Windows machine. It's to buy a Mac to use as a Mac while knowing that you can easily fire up a trusty Windows app that you just can't live without. That one app that has kept you from even considering Mac, lo all these years, because it did not have a Mac version.
2. I do not for a minute accept that "cheaper is better". At least not in the scenario you set up. And the "Dell sells more, so must be better" is so specious it's laughable. So what if I can get 20 Yugos for the price of one Aston Martin? Don't try to argue that the Yugo is a better car or a better value. There are probable more accurate analogies, but you get the point.

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@Smart Feller

Any Mac is a legit PC.
With legally purchased software... (Vista, XP)
why would Microsoft CARE what machine it runs on?
MS should MAKE money in this Apple/Windows venture.
It's yet another WIN, WIN, WIN scenario. Good for the customer, good for Apple, good for MS.

Basically you are WRONG. Technologically sound - yes... yet

If MS even tries this tactic they will fail when brought to court.
Blocking the use of MS software on a PARTICULAR hardware is something very wrong and dangerous to do. There is Direct X support now in the iMac Aluminum when running Bootcamp and Visita.

HAVING Windows on a Mac is a wonderful thang!

Oh, yes... Apple states very clearly that OSX is designed only for Mac hardware.... Apple does not wish PC users to hack the software OS to run on PCs... YET they DO NOT USE ANY software to stop it from happening.

When you BUY the OS... you can run it on whatever machine.
There may not be 100% support... but then the consumer has been warned.

@everyone BUT Zune Tang.

Interesting comment here by the ZT. Dell, HP, Gateway, seems to me that some of those companies use Intel chips, the same chips that Apple uses.

Well Zune Tang may be right about Apple not having a clue about making hardware, but look at the bright side, that is still intellectually speaking, light years ahead of Microsoft's offering.

Of course you may remember a few years ago Zune Tang going on "Just you wait till Microsoft makes a computer THEN you'll see."

Waiting, waiting waiting. Actually the odds of Microsoft making a personal computer are about as good at Zune Tang reaching grade 3.


Waiting waiting waiting...™

I have already taken the liberty by informing Microsoft Corp. that you have been using the Microsoft tag line without the appropriate legality and/or permission.

Furthermore, you are intentionally misleading your positioning statement; since you truly are Pro-Apple, I can honestly say you are causing confusion to true Window Customers. Simply put, you have now been warned and must no longer use the MS tag line.

For your information, Purina is presently in court with Microsoft over this very matter. It is quite serious, even if you are wishing to have fun with it all - you have been selected as a possible abuser to the MS tag line usage.

http://www.purina.com.au/youcare/

You have been WARNED... Action has been taken!

No - simply confess... YOU LOVE THE MAC and APPLE!
OR you will be in big doggie doo!

WIN WIN situation. Sued by Purina... or Sued by MS.

Your Choice. My Hobby.™

I have already taken the liberty by informing Microsoft Corp. that you have been using the Microsoft tag line without the appropriate legality and/or permission.

Why would a mega-morass like MS even THINK of giving half a rat's about a less-than-pissant nobody like zt?

Then again, if the MS Gestapo does go after zt, we all should start using MS trademarks! They can't stop everyone, and it'd be hilarious to see mighty MS break itself trying.

Zune Tang is harmless.
Some even get a huge chuckle over his comments.

Please be gentle. Hahahaha that last comment was so so funny.

Purina puppy chow. "Your Pet. Our Passion."@
So similar to Microsoft's line that Zune uses.
I thought he made it up. He is a fairly clever guy.

I vote to leave Zune Tang alone. No one takes him seriously anyways - do they?

Microsoft will protect it's hardware vendors from a Apple assault trust me.

Vendors like Dell, who'd readily sell Mac OS with their PCs if given the chance?

Trust me, MS wants Windows everywhere, and if that means being on Apple's hardware then so be it.

MS should be delighted to sell high-margin boxed Windows installs to Mac users.

BTW, I LOVE GLOSSY, YEAH!

First, the statement made does not come from Redmond.
As it clearly says, "by informing Microsoft".

Secondly, I believe the statement was intended only to expose Zune Tang's side of the industry. I for one, think Zune Tang is ProMac.

Thirdly and lastly, Does anyone really care? I mean, Zune Tang is entitled to comment on anything he wishes. ProMac or ProWindows. I think the comment made at him - basically was in fun. Not serious at all - "you will be in big doggie doo". But then again, I am only making assumptions on whomever wrote that entry.

Don't get your knickers tied in a knot.
Perhaps you "Sosumi" are really Zune Tang" himself.

Similarly, my ability to host influenza viruses should greatly enhance my appeal.