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Aug 05, 08 - 07:27 am Comment from: MacNScott

Not working completely for me yet. Deleted calendar appointments!

The thing is that they saw the problem, acknowledged it, and fixed it promptly unlike some companies that deny, lie, and "fix" problems in next release.

Aug 05, 08 - 07:30 am Comment from: Predrag

As obvious as this is, there is no question that, since this is Apple we're talking about, things will change quickly. Unlike pretty much any Microsoft mess to date (a good example would be Vista), you will never see an internal message from Ballmer admitting to a major mistake and warning troops about the next time.

As for Jobs's message, Im sure it was (at least partly) meant to be leaked to us, Mac fans (and perhaps occasional ZD-Net, Dvorak, Enderle and such). He needed to make sure the world (i.e. part of it that follows Apple) knows that his company is different from everyone else in every respect, and that includes when a mistake is made.

It was intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that Apple botched MobileMe introduction. Apparently, Steve Jobs acknowledgment of performance issues should restore peace and tranquility among fanbois everywhere - not that this signals any significant improvement in Apple's willingness or ability to perform. Apple is continuing its fine tradition of over promising and under delivering. Let fanbois rejoice.

Aug 05, 08 - 07:38 am Comment from: Denny

@zncvbnxc

Why don't you get a life ass-ole. I'll bet your penis is orange from eating corn curls and reading Hustler.

@zncv

When has Gates or Ballmer ever admitted to a mistake? Even the huge POS that is Vista?

Never.

Wow. A company that admits it's mistakes and tries to make the customers happy. That is certainly an alien concept in the windows world. It is also interesting that whenever someone points out the weak reasoning of these trolls, they get labeled a fanbois.
Overpromising and underdelivering? When has this happened? Oh, you mean like at the iPhone launch?

Sounds to me like he wants to make sure people still think he's alive. I haven't heard a peep from him since he rolled out the 2nd iPhone. Has anyone seen him in public lately? Does he show up to work every day or is he working from home? I'd love to see the latest pic of him.

It's hard to believe the success Apple has managed with all the new stores in all the new countries. Those come about with intensive research, international negotiations, contracts, careful hiring, training and publicity. Then there's always the roll-out of new products with the complex publicity cycles that have to be monitored. And the creation of new hardware and software products, all in background, and in great secrecy, has put tremendous pressures on Apple. . . . I find it hard to believe that any organization, even Apple, could have managed it as well as it has.
On the other hand, as has been suggested, MobileMe could have been released piecemeal over a few weeks, starting with the iPhone introduction. Releasing a new feature every week, or so, would have Apple dominating more news cycles, and Apple's fans would have remained in a state of euphoria for a month or more.

Common, . . . let's see these new products!

Aug 05, 08 - 08:07 am Comment from: critic

". Users of Apple products expect and deserve better."

Users of any companies products, even Microsoft's, deserve better. Apple Users are just used to actually getting it.

Poor, sad little fanboi zncvbnxc needs to recall that, according to the "other Steve", Vista never had issues and that he stated, within a few months of its release, it was being widely adopted by everyone, everywhere.

Mind numbed zombie zncvbnxc?

Your descent into madness is harrowing to watch.
Please, please seek out a mental health expert, before your entire life is wasted away, barking like a mad dog at things that hold no relevance to you.

Seriously, dude.

The only thing more pathetic than a fanboi, is someone that trolls sites all day long in some misguided and feeble attempt at making himself seem important.

@Denny,
As grating as zncvbnxc's anonymous post is, if you look at each sentence individually, about the only one that is worth taking issue with is this one: "Apple is continuing its fine tradition of over promising and under delivering."

We all know that Apple has a tradition that is opposite of that statement.

Is there really a need to respond to the obvious troll with name calling and innuendo? And using the word "penis" in a public forum during the morning cartoon hour when the kids are awake!? (tsk tsk!!)

Step number 1 in fixing a problem is to look in the mirror, point the finger at yourself, and stand accountable instead of blaming everybody around you. Today, I love Apple even more for being able to do that.

I briefly remember HP(Carly Fiorini) having this media hyped huge day of releasing at least 10 HP products, all at once. The next day, everyone forgot anything they released. It was a great idea on paper, but not in real life. Does anyone else remember that, or was I dreaming?

Aug 05, 08 - 08:46 am Comment from: jocknerd

Its my opinion that Apple does not belong in the online space. Leave that to others like Google. Apple should concentrate on their own desktop, phone, and ipod groups. They should have partnered with Google to provide a better experience using Google's technology than trying to go it alone.

Aug 05, 08 - 08:51 am Comment from: MikeK

"Its my opinion that Apple does not belong in the online space."

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You mean like iTunes?

If Steve Ballmer ever is quoted that "Vista was a mistake", then I will Youtube myself running around our company building nude during working hours and send MDN the link. iCal it!

"If Steve Ballmer ever is quoted that "Vista was a mistake" . . ."

Close.

Ballmer bitch slaps Vista
Confesses to Vista's bloat and imperfections
By Kelly Fiveash
(Published Friday 18th April 2008 15:14 GMT)

Excerpt: "We have a lot of customers that are choosing to stay with Windows XP, and as long as those are both important options, we will be sensitive, and we will listen, and we will hear that."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/18/ballmer_vista_incomplete/

Very close...I'm sweating.
Not sure if ya'll should eat your lunch today.

Aug 05, 08 - 09:34 am Comment from: qka

@Blue Dream

I briefly remember HP(Carly Fiorini) having this media hyped huge day of releasing at least 10 HP products, all at once. The next day, everyone forgot anything they released. It was a great idea on paper, but not in real life. Does anyone else remember that, or was I dreaming?

I'm don't recall that incident. I do remember that in summer/fall of 2006, they released something like 46 products, in New York City, during Fashion Week, when the all the press in NYC was covering fashion, not tech. Talk about an event without a ripple. At the time, I was in grad school with a guy who worked for HP. Even he never heard about it.

That's why Apple has Mac World in January in San Francisco, and does not announce at the Consumer Electronics Show in las Vegas. Usually they are different weeks, to avoid message dilution. In 2007, (when the original iPhone was announced), the two shows were running at the same time. Then, the buzz in Vegas was what Apple was announcing in SF.

That's how to announce something!!!

Aug 05, 08 - 09:47 am Comment from: THE.MAC.GOD

Can I get working iWeb comments? Plzkthx.

Vista is awesome hear me roar? What say you Mac from fans. Power you will never reaching.

Aug 05, 08 - 09:59 am Comment from: Spark

This year Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary added the word "Fanboy" as an official English word. NOTE THE SPELLING all you trolling a-holes. It's NOT "FANBOI"! It's "FANBOY". If you're going to be insulting, at least get the spelling right.

I like people who feel it is their duty to correct grammar and spelling. It reminds me of my 80 year old Jr. High teacher who always had comments about my penmanship. What a prude.

Hey Sparky, are you an 80 year-old Jr. High teacher?

Aug 05, 08 - 10:17 am Comment from: DLMeyer

#1. recognition of mistakes is a good step
#2. admitting to mistakes is a better step
#3. admitting to mistakes publicly is better still!
#4. coming up with a better plan is wisdom itself

Jobs only missed #3, the e-mail was internal to Apple. If I read it right.

Can you imagine a Trekkie telling his friends he "works for Q"? Wow! :D

Big deal that MobileMe did not work right out the shoot. On-line services can be fixed and improved whereas bad hardware design is, and most often stays, a lemon.

A bad company is one with no motivation to be the best it can. Apple is not a bad company, obviously, but I can think of a lot others that are (such as washington mutual with regards to their online banking).

Aug 05, 08 - 11:05 am Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

Blue Dream,

I don't think Carly ever pulled a boner as big as Steve's.

Aug 05, 08 - 11:10 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

DLMeyer... That's Trekker.

The MobileMe launch was one of the few missteps in Jobs second tenure. You can bet they'll take a more methodical approach in future.

Actually, Apple did issue a public apology and 30 days of 'free" MobileMe service. It was a good PR move, but still of little consolation to people who were expecting it to "just work".

Given MobileMe's dicey .Mac DNA, I would have waited at least a couple of months before trying to use it.

OMG hell froze over, SJ admitted Apple made a mistake!!

zncvbnxc,

How do you pronounce your name?

Is it 'ASS-hole' or 'DUMB-ass'?

I found our your true identity:

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/

To quote the words of an ancient wiseman:

"Go fuck yourself".

'fanboi' pisses me off about as much as 'me thinks'. Come to think of it, me thinks your an a$$hole for using 'me thinks'.

"Apple Users are just used to actually getting it."

Repeatedly, Roughly, from behind with every botched product introduction.

If Rev A hardware from other vendors had as many problems as Apple does, they'd be out of business. Fortunately Apple has the fanboy base to repeatedly buy those Rev A products, find the defects and let Apple fix them for the next group of customers, all the time convincing themselves Apple is doing a great job.

Aug 05, 08 - 12:05 pm Comment from: FreddyThePig

A company that does not make mistakes isn't doing anything .

Aug 05, 08 - 12:15 pm Comment from: feral

what MOO said...
beat it trrrrrollz

Aug 05, 08 - 12:16 pm Comment from: Macintosh

So, Eddy Cue was the guy running around telling everyone that launching it all at the same time was a bad idea...

Aug 05, 08 - 12:27 pm Comment from: Cubert

And who said that MDN was blatantly slavish in their devotion to all things Apple?

Aug 05, 08 - 12:38 pm Comment from: Cubert

@ zncvbnxc,
Write much in English?

Aug 05, 08 - 12:43 pm Comment from: MacSmiley

... #5. Fix the mistakes.
#6. Reinstate terminated services that DID work.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/macsmiley/2652541101/

BRING BACK APPLE iCARDS!

http://homepage.mac.com/mac.zooks/.Pictures/bryn.png

Petitions:

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/06291970/petition.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/ic110608/petition.html

Aug 05, 08 - 01:17 pm Comment from: MikeK

"And who said that MDN was blatantly slavish in their devotion to all things Apple?"

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They are blatantly slavish in defending and/or agreeing with all things Apple.. When Apple apologizes or admits a mistake, do you really think MDN would disagree? Of course not..

Aug 05, 08 - 01:32 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

"When Apple apologizes or admits a mistake, do you really think MDN would disagree?"

Neither will I, not in a million years. I am loyal to Apple's core.
But, I have been known to take a bribe or two.

Aug 05, 08 - 02:04 pm Comment from: Cubert

MikeK,
Plenty of MDN Takes have been at least somewhat critical of Apple over the years.

"If Rev A hardware from other vendors had as many problems as Apple does, they'd be out of business."

You mean, like Microsoft's Xbox 360?

Thanks for your utterly useless comment to this discussion!

Aug 05, 08 - 03:14 pm Comment from: Spark

@Sparknutz
I don't normally correct grammar in postings, in fact I didn't do it above. I am just bored with the pretentious use of "fanboi", like that is so clever. If someone wants to call me a fanboy, as if it is some sort of insult, go ahead. Just spell the damn word normally.

Aug 05, 08 - 03:25 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

Spark,

'Fanboi' is the derogatory and insulting version of 'fanboy'.

It comes in handy for judging the character of the commenter.
Kind of a dead giveaway.

"You mean, like Microsoft's Xbox 360?"

Exactly like XBox 360. That was bad enough for Microsoft, but would have killed a company for who it was their main product.

But somehow Apple struggles on with crashing and non functional online services, discoloring, whining overheating crashing Macs, cracking iPhones which can't be activated or upgraded and the fanboys think they're doing a great job.

You keep getting shafted, but you keep coming back. You must enjoy being Apple's bitch.

"#4. coming up with a better plan is wisdom itself"

Doing things right first time: priceless.

"You keep getting shafted, but you keep coming back. You must enjoy being Apple's bitch."

Look who keeps coming back for more. This little punk doesn't realize that he is our bitch! You belong to MDN moron. Your candy ass has been passed around more than a two dollar whore.

"This little punk doesn't realize that he is our bitch! "

What a great explanation for why you keep buying defective products.

Ignore my grandson Destroyer, He's an embarrassment to the Dorks family line.

@Progenitor of Dorks,

I understand. Every family has one member they wish could be locked in the basement forever. The problem with this one is he won't leave the basement. Ever. You have my sympathy.

Aug 06, 08 - 01:02 am Comment from: Road Warrior

Dang who said the word penis. I read that as the pen is mightier than the sword.