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May 07, 08 - 08:27 am Comment from: El Guapo

Yo digo, ¡qué no!

May 07, 08 - 08:28 am Comment from: Demon

If ethics were anything to go by in Business Eric Schmidt would have stepped down from Apple's Board prior to Google announcing Android. But, as we see yet again ethics in business is just a word.

May 07, 08 - 08:43 am Comment from: Buster

This is an age old problem. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. By banding together, one can defeat or repel an enemy, however, once that is succeeded or at least in progress, the 'friends' start to eye each other (remember Russia and Germany early in WWII?).

It is a timing game and I have confidence Steve will know when to 'pull out' before something bad happens.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."

Ballmer for the  Board?

Time to kick him to the curb.

May 07, 08 - 08:52 am Comment from: HMCIV

One indirectly competitive product will not make enemies of these two companies.

Of course there's room for Eric Schmidt on the board. After all, that pampered lout Al Gore is still there.

Unbelievable!

If they're going to question Schmidt's place on the board, why not question Al Gore's as well. I mean, what in the hell does he actually do besides draw millions in stock options? At least Schmidt can say that he has influenced Google to develop some Mac and iPhone software. Another one that is absolutely useless is Bill Campbell. Apparently Al and Bill are simply F.O.S. (Friends of Steve) and nothing more.

Google, Apple rivalry...?

Time for Eric Schmidt to make hardware.

As long as he keeps his stick on the ice….

May 07, 08 - 09:22 am Comment from: Jay-Z

Is Android even an iPhone competitor? If you follow the trend of technology, people are leaning more toward vertically integrated solutions like the Mac and iTunes ecosystems because they work reliably and are seamless. Android's model is like the Windows model – software that works on many hardware systems. And phone hardware varies far more than PC hardware. I just question whether or not this is a viable venture for Google.

May 07, 08 - 09:31 am Comment from: Connor MacBook

"A lot" of software for the iPhone = YouTube and Google Maps!

@ Jay-Z and the rest of y'all

There's a way Android could be an iPhone ally and Schmidt would in that case remain on the board. It's very simple:

First, remember that Google is not an hardware company. So iPhone/iPod Touch could be Android compatible, and run Android applications.

"Apparently Al and Bill are simply F.O.S. (Friends of Steve) and nothing more."

- Yeah , Steve alone decides who get´s to be in the board... (pfff...)

And, hey, maybe Al Gore actually does a good job ?
We all know what has happened with Apples pile of cash the last 4 years.

= )

May 07, 08 - 09:40 am Comment from: HotinPlaya

Where would Apple be, if Gore had not invented the internet!

Conner, they've also put resources into formatting Google web services like Gmail, Calendar, Reader, Docs, News, Photos, Blogger, Notebook and Goog-411.

Dev, what does Al Gore do a good job of anyway and how, if at all is he being on the board of Apple, Inc. connected to a "pile of cash?"

Gore is a politician, not a scientist in any sense of the word and I submit that he is on the board merely because he is a politician and has a celebrity status, nothing more.

There are many, many more people that could have his seat on the board of Apple that could contribute immeasurably more than Albert Gore.

May 07, 08 - 10:09 am Comment from: The Other Steve

@ Jim,

That would be too close!

Google is in the service biz. Apple is in the software biz to sell hardware. I think Google and Apple can co-exist.

Google wants Android to run on as many mobile phones as possible to they can further collect search data and provide services like maps, email, blogger, etc. to make advertising revenue.

Apple wants to create awesome software like OS X, iLife, pro apps to sell more hardware.

May 07, 08 - 11:51 am Comment from: Frank

Rather than oust Schmidt whose company actually gives a damn about Mac users and Apple, Bill Campbell is the one to throw out the window. Intuit has no shame in thumbing its nose at Mac users by making sub-sub par software where bugs and omissions are de rigeur.

May 07, 08 - 11:53 am Comment from: Jay-Z

@ Mac+:

Your suggestion goes against the model of Apple software/hardware development. Apple develops the hardware AND the software in house so it can control the entire user experience. Why on earth would they break from this philosophy, especially now that consumers are finally starting to get it? It makes no sense.

Apple already has OS X and a very sophisticated software development kit that gives developers access to the iPhone/iPod touch specific features. Furthermore, iPhone is available NOW, the software development kit is available NOW, and these features will be available to all iPhone owners in less than 60 days (barring any delays in releasing iPhone 2.0). Android has no firm timetable. Not to mention that Apple has tremendous momentum from just buzz alone.

I don't get where Google thinks it's going with Android.

HotinPlaya:

I was truly hoping that no-one would be dumb enough to quote that hoary old line about the "internet" and Al Gore any more. Considering how much it's been discredited for being taken out of context and flat-out mis-quoted. But hey, who wants to let facts get in the way of a dumb poster on MDN...

By the way, none of those bitching about Al Gore on the board of Apple know shit about why he's there, or Eric Schmidt for that matter. You just make yourselves look the idiotic buffoons you really are.

Give it a rest. Go back out and play in the yard.

On 9 March 1999, Gore gave an interview for CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer in which he stated, “During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

The "invented the internet" line is attributed to Mark Foley, R-FL.

In response, Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn wrote article which described Gore's contributions to the Internet since the 1970s, including his work on the Gore Bill: “[A]s the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time. Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective."

In addition, Newt Gingrich, former Republican Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, also argued for Gore's role in the development of the Internet, saying, “In all fairness, it’s something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is—and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a 'futures group'—the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the ’80s began to actually happen."

May 07, 08 - 12:48 pm Comment from: Ampar

"The "invented the internet" line is attributed to Mark Foley, R-FL."

Yikes. Was it wedged in an instant message to a teenage boy?

May 07, 08 - 01:08 pm Comment from: Not Bill

As two of the very best, do no evil, innovative and intelligent companies in consumer technology it would be much better if Apple and Google are working together in a symbiotic way. They are different enough that they should be able to do this.

Right-wing wackos who claim that Al Gore says he invented the Internet are either ignorant buffoons or lying Republicans. (*)

On the other hand, without Al Gore's advocacy in Congress, the Internet might not have happened.

As far as Gore's contributions to Apple's board, there is absolutely benefit from having an advisor with deep government connections. Apple's Federal Systems group is trying to sell to government agencies all the time. Who knows, the purchase of government supplier PA Semi may actually have strategic value, and not be just some hare-brained $268M lark that Steve Jobs threw together one day without thinking about it.

* Or both.

How many are holding off on becoming involved in the iPhone econosphere (as developers, manufacturers or consumers) due to established involvement with or commitment to Microsoft products?

How many of that group might be interested enough in Android to consider the possibility of moving beyond exclusive deals with Microsoft?

Android may or may not eventually bear fruit for Google, but vaporware or not, it represents much more of a threat to Windows-based smartphones than it does the iPhone. Any potential player in that segment that shifts attention away from Microsoft and towards a more open, developer-friendly and ultimately user-oriented and consumer-driven experience will be good for Apple and bad for Microsoft.

Underdogs know how to make the most of strong friends, but bullies can only thrive in an environment populated with weak enemies.

May 07, 08 - 04:31 pm Comment from: Ampar

So, Android is possibly an angiosperm with ripened ovaries?

May 07, 08 - 04:43 pm Comment from: DizzyD

Many of you Al Gore bashers seem to forget that he invented the internets.

"And, hey, maybe Al Gore actually does a good job ?"

C'mon, the guy invented the Internet and Global Warming.

May 07, 08 - 09:02 pm Comment from: Connor MacBook

Thanks tank. Not exactly iPhone software, but I take your point.

May 08, 08 - 02:35 pm Comment from: Macintosh

Jobs probably shows the board fake prototypes too...