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Mar 08, 08 - 12:57 am Comment from: Tommy Boy

Can you smell the...VAPORWARE!

Mar 08, 08 - 01:06 am Comment from: ericdano

Why? Next we'll hear that Microsoft is going to port Windows over to it....Wait. Wasn't Sun making their own iPhone like OS???

Mar 08, 08 - 01:13 am Comment from: MizuInOz

Ahhh ... but ya'all don geet it!

Jaba Crypt will make yur iPhone snappier!

As we all know the future is in the clouds... and clouds are made of ...

Wait for it....

As Tommy Boy said...

Vapour! (Oz & Brit spelling)

This is friggin' goofy.

Mar 08, 08 - 01:46 am Comment from: grok

iTouch?

Ericdano,

That was OpenMoko. Announced last spring.

Sun vows to put Java on Apple iPhone,...

Big whoop. I did that this morning and the damn liquid fried the battery.

Mar 08, 08 - 02:15 am Comment from: TheConfuzed1

I see this as a good thing. Offering it as an optional install, via iTunes, seems to be the best way to make everyone happy too.

Personally, I'd like to see Java on the iPhone, if it means that I can play online casual games from sources such as Yahoo, and Pogo.

Mar 08, 08 - 02:37 am Comment from: GranitW

...and personally I'd like to see flash on the iPhone.

Mar 08, 08 - 02:42 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

Java? Whatever.

I'm still waiting for Windows Mobile for I-Phone, including Internet Explorer Mobile Edition, Outlook Mobile Edition and Office Mobile Edition.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Considering Apple will only allow one "application" to work at once, how does Sun plan on running additional applications? Yes, I understand that the Java environment was meant to run applications, but this simply will not work on the iPhone.

Now, if Sun is talking about a plugin for Mobile Safari (SafariTouch), then this is different.

Mar 08, 08 - 03:32 am Comment from: makemineamac

Zune Tang, I can't believe you forgot OneNote Mobile.

And Internet Explorer Mobile Edition works just as well currently on the iPhone as it does on a WIndows Mobile Device, you just have to follow these installation instructions:

Pry your iPhone open with a knife or useless Windows Vista DVD or CD , depending on which version you bought.

Go here <a > and print the webpage.

Then with a pair of sharp scissors cut out the Internet Explorer Mobile Edition Logo

Cut out the description of Internet Explorer Mobile

Then, once you've wedged open the edge of your iPhone enough, you slide the description inside the iPhone and close it back up.(You can fold it up if you need to, it won't affect the use-ability anyway, it may even improve it actually)

Then, with some invisible-type scotch tape, secure the logo you previously cut out in an available space on your iPhone screen.

Power-up your iPhone and voila! You're done!

Click repeatedly on the logo you taped on and you will find the user-experience of Internet Explorer Mobile on iPhone will be by far the best WIndows Mobile Internet Explorer you've ever had. and it also will be the closest that application will ever get to an install on an iPhone. Enjoy!


Lol...

Mar 08, 08 - 06:19 am Comment from: mike_in_helsinki

That ball-and-chain turd will never see the light of my iPhone.

Isn't Parallels working on Parallels Touchtop?

Mar 08, 08 - 08:17 am Comment from: British Mac Head

@ makemineamac
That was freakin awesome

@Zune Tang.
Don't you feel a little inadequate mate?

After all:
Leopard > Vista
iPod > Zune
iPhone OS > Windows Mobile
Apple (Think Different ®) > Microsoft (Your Frustration, Our Fault ™)
Case closed!!!

I'm just amazed that zuny has admitted he has, or plans to buy an iPhone.

Mar 08, 08 - 08:40 am Comment from: R

On a broader level, there is a great deal of incentive for companies to improve products they already have to run on OS X mobile. I think that this announcement is really just broadcasting the fact that Sun, like so many other big companies, sees this as a lucrative and viable upcoming platform.

They don't want to be left behind, so you bet they're gonna' make a version for iPhone. It probably will founder a bit, but they'll do it if they can.

Mar 08, 08 - 09:13 am Comment from: Ampar

Being able to test a demo of these new apps on the iPhone or iPod Touch would be nice especially since some of them are in new territory using the accelerometer and multi-touch functions. I don't mind paying if I have some sort of assurance that the app works as advertised. I'm sure reviews will help weed out the bad ones but demos are the better way.

Mar 08, 08 - 09:32 am Comment from: HueyLong

.... forget Java, I want Zagat on my iPhone. It pisses me off that my wife's Blackberry Pearl has it and iPhone doesn't.

is it just me or does anyone else see that apple is playing everyone like a country fiddle. Most everything Steve says is a study in reverse psychology to either divert attention or motivate intended parties (developers, consumers, partners and competition).

Mar 08, 08 - 11:25 am Comment from: Cubert

I'm still waiting for that Divinyls software - iTouch Myself - to, errrr, come out.

Mar 08, 08 - 11:52 am Comment from: shen

oh please say this is true!

if you install flash AND java, then you have a $500 brick! yay you!

If java, flash or any scripting languages get ported they better have some way to carry over the app signing process to their client apps or they will become tools for spreading malware.

@ makemineamac

Touché....made my day.

Mar 08, 08 - 01:20 pm Comment from: Woody

This gives me a very bad feeling. I don't know why, but it does.

Everyone, I want you to pay attention to something:

Javascript is NOT Java. The iPhone already supports Javascript and always has since its first day on the market. Java is something completely different. Java is a sandbox and library to run applications written in the Java (not Javascript!) language...the most popular of which is Limewire.

Mar 08, 08 - 02:43 pm Comment from: HolyMackerel

Apple seems to be trying to push OpenGL over MS's DirectX. I wonder whether this is enough for games developers?

Apple seems to be ignoring Google Gears, Adobe Air, Sun Java and MS Silverlight in favour their own Cocoa SDK. It hope this will allow developers to write once for MacOS X, TV, iPhone and iPod Touch.

Mar 08, 08 - 02:57 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Yes, Buster, I too got a little Joe on my iPhone, and now it is all sticky......

Woody, sorry that you have a bad feeling. If you are like many, I am sure that you will stand up to the licking that Java may attempt in domination, and the struggle unloading it entails.

Mar 08, 08 - 03:20 pm Comment from: Cubert

Damn, TT! You writing for Vivid these days?

Mar 08, 08 - 03:22 pm Comment from: nekogami13

Holymac- Apple has always supported opengl and never used directx. Why would that change now?

As for the others- Googlegears is a browser extension using javascript api's-how is Apple ignoring it?
Java sucks, so Apple needs to ignore it. Silverlight is a MS proprietary format, it's Ms decision to bring it to the iPhone or not(most likely not), not Apples.

Mar 08, 08 - 03:28 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Cubert-
I'm not a porn writer, but I play one on the internet....

Mar 08, 08 - 03:49 pm Comment from: shen

not only has Apple always supported openGL and never directX, but openGL is a FAR better system. directX, like all things MS, is bloated, cludgy, and a security risk.

silverlight, java and flash. oh lets get all those on the iPhone! that should kill it!

...like the trifecta from hell.

Mar 08, 08 - 05:57 pm Comment from: Cubert

Hell, I'm not a porn star but I play one on the internet! Just ask my girlfriend and my former employer.

Mar 08, 08 - 06:15 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Everyone, I want you to pay attention to something:"

Of course you do. You're a self-important, arrogant ass.

@Ampar - Quite ironically, it seems that you are too.

HueyLong - I think Zagat's is written for Java micro. You might get your wish.

Mar 08, 08 - 09:07 pm Comment from: Ampar

As if anyone here would listen to Michael Dell? Idiot.

TT...you got a little Joe on your iPhone???? I can trump that. I got Hoss and Pa Cartwright on mine!!!!!

Why Apple license ActiveSync instead SyncML?
Why Apple went to Mafiasoft arms?
Why Apple is lie down with the enemy?

Please Apple, at least offer the SyncML beside ActiveSync and maybe you get out of Mafiasotf one day.

The beauty of this system is that, if you don't want Java on your iPhone, don't install it, if you do, visit the AppStore and voila! This move by Apple is brilliant. Think of all the new developers that will be moving to Xcode and OpenGL. Think of all the enterprises opportunities that will open up for the Mac platform. Who would have thought that Apple would enter the enterprise in someone's pocket rather than on the desktop? Welcome to the 21st century!

My MDN word: death...need I say more?

@ MacChíita

Going directly against microsoft is something that has yeilded a lot of fruit for Apple... but in the enterprise, it's very different.

Microsoft has numerous contracts with corporations, that use their systems. At this current stage, moving all those servers to apple/linux servers is a major job and quite a task as well.


Intergrating iPhones like this, and I bet you, Microsoft probably will earn a lot more profit under this deal than with RIM.

And plus, after Micro$ofts blunder with Yahoo, Vista, Zune... the major major failures in their products...

They still need to tell their shareholders, something good. Because Apple endorsed their product, it's enough for them to say that at least there is something good coming from Microsoft

Mar 09, 08 - 09:22 am Comment from: R

What the M$ licensing tells me is that Apple is not seeking to overthrow M$ EVER in terms of this type of business software. But, Apple is willing to be used in business if people wish. All the functionality is there, plus all the cool consumer stuff.

There is also another issue, but someone else would have to speak to licensing agreements in this sort of situation. If Apple licensed ActiveSync for iPhone which is OS X, could the license also apply to other products containing OS X? Could this deal have broader implications that just for iPhone?

reading Microsoft official responses to Apple licensing ActiveSync I get the impression that they licensed it reluctantly.

Mar 10, 08 - 05:29 am Comment from: makemineamac

@ Google:

I got that impression too, but I don't think they had a choice as they will sell it to anyone else so why not Apple?

Digging their own grave. How interesting... And wonderful!

"a $500 email machine" lol