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It appears that this new stinky cheese from Microsloth is in fact swiss.

It's facinating that society, if you can call windows users such, put up with this. They would not tollerate it in any other aspect of their lives . . . . . or would they?

Interestingly, there is also a new trojan attacking Mozilla/Firefox. The reports do not state whether it is all versions of Firefox or just the Windows version. My bets are on the latter!

MW: called: It's called VISTA because you can see through its holes, just like swiss cheese! LOL!

Surprise surprise. Windows users have a lot to look foward to.

The words Vista and Virus are very similar. Distressingly lose to an anagram.

This refers to an earlier Vista Beta...these issues have been resolved in the current beta build 5456.
Do remember that Vista is in Beta.

"Do remember that Vista is in Beta."



No, it's actually in Alpha. When it

goes Beta, they box it up and ship

it. Gold Master is Service Pack 4.

What happened to “security thru obscurity” myth? Wouldn’t this same myth currently apply to Vista? There can’t be as many instances of Vista Beta running as there are instances of OS X out there, yet there are already more viruses.

Symantec Helps Apple kick Micro$oft in the Head
News at 11

There are reportedly 10,000 copies of Vista around. It got already some 10 or so virus around. When it will hit the same number of OS X installation it should be on par with the other Windows flavors and valiantly features some 20,000 virus and free malware available the day it is released.

Ahhhh, life is good when nothing one can count on changes.

Hey, I hear that Vista Beta 105,948,998.0.4 is really were we should judge the quality of Vista.

By the end of 2005, there were 114,000 known viruses for PCs

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WRONG, there were 114,000 known </b>security threats</b> for PCs. There were two known security threats for OSX.

Just cause Apple says it, don't mean it's true.

"potential security issues" ???

If I had a dime for every "potential" (in other words NOT REAL) security threat in Windows I'd be richer than Bill Gates.

Windows security problems are all media hype and no beef. I have almost never had a virus on my PC, and when I buy Windows I will have totally zero ever again.

Seriously, a company as big as MS is NOT going to screw up like the media loves to say. Wait until the product isn't Beta, huh, Symantec? Oh but that wouldn't get you a headline and sell your needless software. If you know what the hell your doing you don't need to PAY for virus software people. I run 9 security programs on my PC and guess how many I paid for? Zero. Security cost == bull. My total cost of ownership (don't mac zombies like that terms?) is zip!

I guarantee you there will be no security holes in Vista once it's finished. Repeat: finished, not "beta" or "almost finished" or "eraly reviews"

Why else is Vista going to businesses before it goes to consumers? That's right--business know security a whole lot better than Mac zealots, and they TRUST Vista. It's a revolution in a box.

Don't overlook that Symantec is calling these "potential flaws". Although I have no doubt that we'll be seeing a lot of this once Vista arrives, until it does I wouldn't gloat too much over it. After all, we'd surely give Symantec a hard time if they were to announce "potential" security flaws in OSX.

Be patient. It'll come.

I don't understand, Microsoft "thinks" they are God, they are screwing all their business partners. But companies like Symantec keep telling them what they are doing wrong in Vista. Don't tell them anything let Vista die all by itself, and just maybe people will see the light and switch to Apple OS X.

2 more reminders that chicken little is not about to fall -----

how the heck would symantec on the outside know more about windows security than, i dont know, the company that programmed it? symantec can't possibly know all the ins and outs that make vista tick, its just too big and complicated a product. furthermore any so-called flaw Symanec finds Microsoft found 2 years ago and it's already OK for reasons Symantec could never know.

second, guess where Symantec is located? right in Appletown, eg Cupertino. Symantec is taking kickbacks from Apple, if you think companies aren't that dishonest i've got news for you.

sad.

Wow!

To "oh please":

I really want your job. It's almost as easy as Enderle's. And even he has to pay for his PC. Your TOTAL cost of ownership is, as you said, zero. You must get a nice fat check from the MonkeyBoy every few days.

BTW, the big 3 automakers must all be in each other's pockets since they're all in Detroit. Not to mention all those competing companies right next door to each other in NYC, SFO, LAX, etc. You're as brilliant as the sludge in a sceptic tank. And you're as much a troll as any that ever slithered across these boards.

Just go away and spend that MonkeyBoy cash. And remember to wipe your slimy trail after you.

...some undocumented IP protocols with no known purpose in the product, and issues with some new protocols deep within the operating system's so-called network stack

D'ya reckon these are to enable the CIA and FBI to spy into PC users' hard drives?

Big Brother working hand-in-hand with the Devil...

Windows Vista = STINKY SWISS CHEESE!!!!!!

"If you know what the hell your doing you don't need to PAY for virus software people. I run 9 security programs on my PC and guess how many I paid for? Zero."

The eye-opening part of these statements isn't that you can get security programs for free...but rather that you run NINE security programs on your PC!

Nine?

As a serious question to oh please, why so many?? Do they take up a bunch of ram? Why 9??

Actually there were quite a few flaws in Mac OS X

One is still currently unfixed, the MetaData file exploit.

see:secunia.com/product/96/

Visit this site, search for "Mac OS X" under Vunerabilities menu for a list of over 200 Mac OS X vunerabilities. Yea that's not a typo.

Also mouse over the Apple logo in the Security Software sidebar.

By the way Dave Shroeders "hack my Mac webpage" was successful, someone suceeded and the "I wasn't authorized" was the cover up. Read the article on this site.

see:www.net-security.org/


Also anti-virus software is mostly ineffective, especially Symantec.

see:www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/securifythis/soa/Why_popular_antivirus_apps_do_not_work_/0,39033341,39264249,00.htm

And as proof, two security companies monitored a whole lot of ip addresses, in the many millions, and found out less than 1% are not spamming.

http://news.com.com/2100-7349_3-6098447.html?part=rss&tag=6098447&subj=news

From Secunia Vulnerability report:

"The Secunia database currently contains 0 Secunia advisories marked as "Unpatched", which affects Apple Macintosh OS X."

"WRONG, there were 114,000 known security threats for PCs."

Whew...well that makes me feel a lot better...NOT!!!

...and from 2003 to 2006 Secunia has 71 Mac OS X vulnerabilities reported.

Again, 0 unpatched.

"...guess where Symantec is located? right in Appletown, eg Cupertino. Symantec is taking kickbacks from Apple, if you think companies aren't that dishonest i've got news for you."

Yeah, and the eye on top of the pyramid on a dollar bill is a symbol of the Illuminati, who secretly control the whole world. Fascinated by symbolism and numerology, the globalist's favorite tactic is to leave blueprints to their plans "hidden in plain view." From this and messages delivered to the masses through the media and films to Time Warner's all-seeing eye, we are repeatedly reminded by the illuminati themselves that they are controlling us and are omnipresent. World leaders from Clinton to Prince William have been photographed proudly flashing the sign of the devil. Architecture around the globe is laid out to represent their occult icons or structured based on occult numerology (like the pyramid Mitter and had constructed at the Louvre, which is made of 666 pieces of gold glass). The New World Order's symbolism is everywhere and there are globalist fingerprints all over the September 11th attacks as well as the Madrid train bombing...and...and...They're polluting our precious bodily fluids!!!!!

oh please again said "how the heck would symantec on the outside know more about windows security than, i don't know, the company that programmed it?"

If the companies knew all their own security holes there wouldn't be security holes, period. There wouldn't be patches or system crashes. You wouldn't need firewalls. Every system update would be for more features instead of for fixing flaws. Programmers are far from infallible, especially in large group projects. There are many companies dedicated to finding security holes that programmers don't see.

This applies to Apple, Microsoft and anyone who programs close to the machine levels.

How did your grammar teacher know more about your grammar and spelling than, i don't know, you who wrote it?

If you think Vista will be released bug free and invulnerable - go look at the history of Windows.

BTW, this isn't news. This is another neener-neener from Microsoft and Dell News (MDN) to Microsoft and it's getting old.

Symantec is going to make a freakin' fortune off of Vista.....assuming of course Vista is ever released.

I can't understand all of the hoopla surrounding this topic. You have to realize that if it were not for Microsoft's "holes" in its OS then Symantec and McAfee wouldn't exist. This is the one partnership that Microsoft keeps sacred. Microsoft has to close the gaps tight, yet lose enough so that the consumers don't start smelling the poop. Windows consumers are so used to having to need AV protection that it is second nature to them

Vista and any subsequent MS OSes will continue to rely on av software and that's the end of that. This topic is almost laughable because Microsoft and Symantec/McAfee are symbiant.

oooo 9 free security programs that have to run to keep winBLOWS safe, geuss that just helps to make it all that much better than osx...

NOT

feel free to rant all you want about your precious winBLOWS, but if you do it here, be informed, and know what the fdsk you are talking about...

out

"The Secunia database currently contains 0 Secunia advisories marked as "Unpatched", which affects Apple Macintosh OS X."

visit the site again, this time scroll down.

The critical MetaData file exploit is only partially fixed

Y'all can banter back and forth about theoretical vulnerabilities. Why do the Windows supporters put their OS where their mouth is.

Test #1 - Infection Speed Test

Get any size and style current computer with any version of Windows XP and get any Mac with Tiger (the most current version), start them up per the manufacturer's instructions, both with no additional anti-virus/spam software, and start cruising the same internet web sites. See who gets infected faster.


Test #2 - Infection Quantity Test

Keep both of these computers on and internet connected. Wait until they both have at least 1 incursion. Stop both computers and see how many the first one has. Will it be just 1-to-1 or more like 100-to-1? My guess it will be much larger than that. My Mac is about 4 years old and NOT ONE incursion has occurred, completely without any anti-virus/spy ware.

Actually, most Macs do NOT have any such protection. Apple corporate computers run with NO PROTECTION. This includes the demo computers at their stores.

...and our intelligent government decided that Windows was the way to go at the Dept. of Homeland Security. Fskin IDIOTS!!! Gates paid for someone's new D.C. house.

some of the very tools Microsoft is touting a security advancements in the OS may actually serve as loopholes.

Typical.

It's time MS puts a few BULLET holes in Vista, and deep-six the damn thing for good.

Better to leave the OS market to those who know WTF they're doing.

Doesn't the DCMA and NDA apply to Symantec? They are reporting security flaws to the public. Haven't people been charged for reporting hidden secrets in programs? Windows is a program and has a draconic EULA.

Windows in general: More back doors than a 100 room mansion.

1984 is alive and well in America.

Symantec, hell, every anti-virus vendor lies about poor security to increase their software sales.

You can't believe what they say about Mac OS X when they call patched vulnerabilities exploits.

How can you believe what they say about Vista? Pre-release software is supposed to have bugs.

Cubert:

Microsoft has combined Limburger with Swiss to create a new taste sensation with the same unique Redmond aroma.

To be fair, symantec sells anti-virus programs for Macs, which are only needed if someone is silly enough to click on an unknown link, just the same as windows computers. To my knowledge, no one here has admitted to to buying a symantec program for the mac, probably since that would indicate silliness.

So, symantec says there are potential weaknesses in Vista.................can that be any more than advanced marketing for their Vista software, needed or not?

been a while since I have been here, the magic word is barely visible.........using the latest Firefox. Could the genii resident work on that?

To Oh Please,

9 Security programs, huh. Do you think granny can get them set up on her home computer to be as safe as you think you are? I think not.

True story. Got a call from a grandma last night asking what can she do to save her files from her home computer that just got highjacked. I asked her if she had a backup of her docs, answer: no. I asked her if she had anti-virus software installed, answer: no, just anti-spyware. I told her that there's not much she could do and would probably need someone to come out and fix it for her at who know how much $$$$$.

I've been trying to get her to get a Mac but her DSL provider "Qwest" says that Macs are incompatible with MSN. (HaHaha) I tell her, I have Qwest and just use the internet connection. NO MSN NEEDED.

BTW, I know her from work, as I'm the IT support. Even though I could have helped somewhat, there was no way I was going to get my comfy little ass using my Mac at home to go mess with the crap that is Windows. So, every time I hear some stupid Windows apologist claim that they've never been infected, blah, blah, blah. I ask myself, can grandma and grandpa do the same. Answer....NOT! Windows truly sucks, but it pays my bills.

The end of the article says: "Microsoft has also charged headlong into the information security market, placing the companies as direct rivals in several sectors including Symantec's core desktop anti-virus niche."

Microsoft is now selling mal-ware removal software competing with Symantec. That's why Symantec doesn't mind publishing papers that make MS look bad.

Microsoft is now preparing a Zune to compete with their partners that were using their software (that isn't good enough for Zune) to try to compete with Apple iPods.

Microsoft screws all their partners and customers. Never do business with them.

I have almost never had a virus on my PC

I have NEVER had a virus on my Mac. Your point? "Almost" carries no merit.

Seriously, a company as big as MS is NOT going to screw up like the media loves to say.

Bigger is better and ALWAYS gets it right? Look at General Motors, AOL, Enron, etc.

I run 9 security programs on my PC and guess how many I paid for? Zero. Security cost == bull.

Time and hassle are also costs, so honestly what do you have invested in keeping nine security programs set up & working? FWIW my Mac is running ZERO third-party security patchware. No time or bother here in keeping things taped together.

I guarantee you there will be no security holes in Vista once it's finished.

"Once" is the operative word. What's Vista's current slip date again?

Anyway have fun babysitting your PC while waiting for the Holy Grail OS.
The rest of us have real things to do.

I run 9 security programs on my PC

How can you stand using that crap then? nine, NINE!

And that STILL does not tell you anything?

Sheeesss dude, what do you need to open your eyes?

Amazingly you are not the only one Windows user just admitting that without vomiting, as if it was normal to go out, buy a computer and then turn into a terminal-illness practitioner just to keep alive the PC.

I have people who spend hours a week scanning, defragging, searching for malware on a regular basis and then "Oh, I ALMOST never get anything". Indeed, almost never get anything DONE with all those chores!

Oh my...:

A woman at work complained that she has to "spend $400 a year" to keep her PC clean of malware and the fact that her PC is unavailable for several days per year. She has spent more in 3 years to free her PC of malware than what she first spent to purchase her PC and all Microsoft software.

When I suggested that she consider a Mac she muttered, "I never thought of that.” I thought, “Lady, you are stupid-on-a-stick to put up with that nonsense.” Then I said, “Well, Macs can run both Windows and OS X, go to apple.com if you want to and check it out.” Her reply, ”I didn’t know that.”

Typical Windows user, “Man, these Microsoft shit sandwiches taste kinda funny and they’re expensive too, huh? But I hear that Microsoft Vista shit actually will taste better, great! Ya know, I've been wanting a new feces taste treat for so long.”

Then I said, “Well, Macs can run both Windows and OS X, go to apple.com if you want to and check it out.” Her reply, ”I didn’t know that.”

True but never forget to stress the fact that the malware and virus that plague her PC will plague her Mac if she runs Windows on it. The problem is Windows not the hardware. She would have to spend the same $400 a year on a Mac with Windows on it UNLESS she runs Windows under virtualization with Parallels so to have Windows run in a sandbox.

I hear that Microsoft Vista shit actually will taste better

We can make people believe anything we like. We've done it for years.

I'd take swiss cheese over Vista any day!
Atleast the cheese has some substance to it