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Why bother with a lawsuit? Microsoft is doing plenty on their own to halt its development. They've been halting it for over 4 years now.

Lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits!

(If you were as grumpy and sick of rain as we are here in New England right now, you'd be suing everybody in sight, too.)

this makes me giggle

this is a perfect case of 'what goes around, comes around'.

Sun's ZFS will eat Symantec/Veritas lunch. They're expensive and support is um.. spotty. I'm extremely happy to see Apple looking at porting ZFS to OS X.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/05/01/zfs.for.mac.os.x/

Symantec has really gone pathological lately in regards to Microsoft invading it's protection racket turf.

when your company's future is in doubt, sue

now that's funny, ion'tcare WHOy'are

I've always felt these types of lawsuits stifled innovation - but I am prone to cheer this lawsuit as Microsoft has been caught many times iwth its hand in someone else's innovative cookie jar.

On another note, wouldn't it be hysterical if MS finally _finished_ Vista, but had to go re-write the FS portion to remove Veritas, thus causing further delays?

we believe that Mac users should not purchase Symantec products

And I beleive Mac users should not buy Microsoft, Symantec, Creative or Shirt Pocket products either.

It's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Actually, while I tend to agree with some Symantic bashing, the Veritas software line has nothing to do with Viruses. Veritas is a fairly well-known Volume Management system, used quite often to manage large amounts of hard disk storage on servers in the commercial world. If you had a Sun server with Disk Arrays on it, for instance, you probably used a version of Vertias' Volume Manager at some time or another to partition, map out volumes, mirrors, striping, etc. It works very well.

Although, based on how well the Veritas software works in the server environment, I'm very surpised to see that it may have been incorporated into Windows in any shape or form. Windows volume management is, well, generally laughable. Reliable? Honestly, I'll cough oreos and milk out my nose if we keep this up.

I'd have to agree with the "expensive and spotty support" comments for Veritas, I'm afraid. Especially nowadays.

I don't agree that Symantec is a parasite. When Symantec came on the scene, it did provide a good, valuable and needed service. Windows (and at a time, Macs) had problems with viruses. Apple fixed that problem with the advent of OS X, but Microsoft still has major issues, as we all know. Symantec is still a valuable tool for those forced to use Windows. I do agree with MDN's take regarding Symantec trying to scare Mac users into buying a product they don't need, and I see no problem with boycotting the company due to that tactic.

Of note, Symantec is trying to move into other markets so that they are not reliant on the anti-virus incomes. Hence the purchase of Veritas. Microsoft is the real bad guy here, and I hope that this hits them hard!

We thought that was an intrinsic attribute of "Vista development."

Vista Development. It's an oxymoron.

Is the issue that Microsoft was supposed to move Longhorn/Vista/Godot to a whole new file system unrelated to the Veritas technology, but discovered it didn't work, went back to the Veritas technology they were already using but didn't plan a license for, and then couldn't come to terms with a greedy Symantec who want too exorbitant a price for a contract renewal?

Tommy Boy: Good take. I don't know if that is possibly the reason, but what company other that Microsoft would deserve to have something like that happen to them?

Geez.....this sounds really familiar.

Doctor please take the TARDIS back to 1992 and tell us what happened...

Microsoft stole Stacker;s data storage technology. Called doublespace in DOS 6.0. Got away with it. Stacker went the way of the dinosoaur.

Doctor please take the TARDIS to 2007....

Microsoft steals Veritas. Makes it part of Vista. Gets away with it. Symantec selling office furniture.

What is so difficult to believe here. This is M$ S.O.P.

"Geez.....this sounds really familiar.

Doctor please take the TARDIS back to 1992 and tell us what happened...

Microsoft stole Stacker;s data storage technology. Called doublespace in DOS 6.0. Got away with it. Stacker went the way of the dinosoaur.

Doctor please take the TARDIS to 2007....

Microsoft steals Veritas. Makes it part of Vista. Gets away with it. Symantec selling office furniture.

What is so difficult to believe here. This is M$ S.O.P."

Hence...a lawsuit.

FreeSpeech >And I beleive Mac users should not buy Microsoft, Symantec, Creative or Shirt Pocket products either.>

Shirt Pocket's SuperDuper is great.

Should I spell that graet? beleive? Yuk yuk. Collidge wuz guud.

Wait, wait, wait here. Hold on a mo!

Are you telling me that Symantec is accusing Microsoft of MISAPPROPRIATING its ideas and incorporating them into its software, and then trying to claim they were really Microsoft's ideas?

Well, call me a Johnny-come-lately, but that just doesn't sound like something that those fine folks at Microsoft would do, does it?

I mean, just after Billy comes home from work, darns his socks, kisses his adorable little miniature poodle on the head, tucks in his kids after reading them bed-time stories and puts a hot cup of cocoa in front of his wife, I'm sure the last thing on his mind is megalomaniacal world domination!

And good old Stevie Ballmer? I mean, sure, he might tape a "Kik Me" sign to your back once in a while (Stevie never was very good in spelling), or he might urinate in your coffee as a prank, but Stevie would never do anything "anti-competitive" would he?

Man, can you believe the nerve of some people? Next thing, you'll tell me that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves or that Isaac Newton was a prick. And then we'll really be in for a challenge to fisticuffs, I'm afraid.

Pish posh to this lawsuit.

Ray,
IIRC Stacker sued M$ about Doublespace. MS lost ths lawsuit. It was the first major loss in M$'s policy of utilizing technology which was not rightfully theirs.
Still, M$ developed an in house method of doing the same thing "well enough" and it handled virtually all "zipped" files and such while coming "free" as part of the operating system.
Thus Stacker might really have been one of the first companies to be "Netscaped".

Business As Usual for MS.

Carlo,
Couldn't have said it any better.

"we believe that Mac users should not purchase Symantec products"

And yet the word "Symantec" in your article contains an advertisement to purchase Symantec PC Anywhere. Like a televangelist, you won't let your "beliefs" get in the way of making a buck.

Free Speech said, "And I beleive Mac users should not buy Microsoft, Symantec, Creative or Shirt Pocket products either."

I understand the first three but why Shirt Pocket? I don't know a lot about the company but I've seen good reviews on their software. Care to elaborate?

Ray, ok to use the Tardis, so long as Rose Tyler comes along..

Lawsuit=blackmail=money

One comment: AAAahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

(PS: Vista Development....MOST DEFINITELY an oxymoron.)

I really need to get his law degree and that MBA. Damn!!! Three more years to go. I just hope everyone continues suing each other at this rate. Job security, baby!!!

OMG! Did you hear the news? Micro$oft is using someone else's ideas and technology. This is news?! They have been doing this since the 80s. Word was not the first document program. Exc el was not the first spreadsheet. There is nothing innovative about Micro$oft.

Apple is the anti-Micro$oft. Apple is all about innovation. They have been on the leading edge of computing since the beginning.

This is the reason Micro$oft gets bashed here. Because they are sharks. And nobody here appreciates their way of doing business.

Glad to see Symantec take them on and I hope they stall Vista for another couple years. More marketshare for Apple!

Maybe Microsoft owes Symantec a favor.

This way MS can slip Vista again--which pundits say is going to happen anyway--and not be blamed by the public and Wall Street.

Honestly, I bet this news made Bill Gates' day.

And MDN, I echo the other comments here. Get rid of the advertisements in the text. They really stink.

I really need to get THIS law degree and that MBA. Damn!!! Three more years to go. I just hope everyone continues suing each other at this rate. Job security, baby!!!

I want MS to hurry up and release Vista so Apple can immediatly follow it up and kill it with the next release of OSX.

You don't know the history of useless lawsuits for a parasitic organization. I do.

Last weekend, against my better judgement, I installed a copy of Norton anti-virus on the old Hypersonic PC I gave my folks when I left M$ behind a few years ago. NAV hit that PC like a bomb, crashing programs, corrupting .dll files, and (strangest of all)de-activating Windows. I had forgotten what a sh**ty experience Norton and Windows was.

Happy ending to the story, though. I'm giving them my beloved lamp-base G4 iMac (sniff) and using the whole thing as an excuse for a new MacBook Pro.

Life truly does have balance...

I'm sorry, Tom. I think I know more about the history of lawsuits from parasitic organizations than you do.

I think the public should realize that Microsoft is doing them a favor by making Symantec obsolete. The whole norton suite is the biggest virus out there. The fact that they tried to sell it to Mac users is just funny.

Ray,

Just unleash the Daleks on MS and Symantec.

Finally, the genocidal salt shakers can do some good.

Yeah,
Rumors said Symantec are mostly behind most viruses that appear on computers. Assholes.

Hey got a inspiration for a "new" book, it will be about a Dinosaur company involved in a intricated plot to dominated the world, mafia software companies trying to conquer more zones, a serial killer software team killing all other companies around, italian restaurants meetings with the bosses, protests all around the world turning vilence and chaos, somebody's getting pie on the face....yes, this will be my new best-seller !!!:coolmad:

what's with the crappy links that are actually advertisements on this site.

They totally stink.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6074778.html

Speaking of "a "Vista-ready" sticker glued to a hideous laptop case that, when closed, could double for a bathroom scale. Have an ugly wait until next year (supposedly) for Microsoft's kludge Windows Vista that will attempt to deliver some lesser percentage of Apple's Mac OS X which we've been enjoying for years"...

Dancing Monkey Boys says....

"We were trying to link too much innovation together in Vista,"

"It was beyond the state of the art of software development."

LMAO!

"Innovation is the introduction of new ideas, goods, services, and practices which are intended to be useful" according to Google.

Mîç®ø$håf†'s pile of crap however, is DEFINITELY not innovation, or state of the art.

Also, its Vapourware.

Have fun with your Vista-InCapable piles of shit that run a stripped down version of what is already Crapware. Get a mac, idiots.

Hehe, Mafia$$oft is going down.

MDN MW=When, when will Vî$$$†å eventually be (in)complete?