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lagging sales?

Wanna know what happens at the end of the campaign?

Really wanna know?

I'll tell you ...

BOOM! goes the dynamite.

Apr 04, 08 - 10:12 am Comment from: TowerTone

Move that inventory before the new one is released!

from time to time i pass by one of their shops and i have to say demand doesn't seem to be that big. they don't even advertise the phone that much in the shopping windows anymore. problem is the monthly fees are much too high by german standards. price for the phone would be ok, but 50 euros for 100 minutes? they must be crazy. that's 5 times of what people are used to pay now.

Apr 04, 08 - 10:19 am Comment from: Spark

Buy one each for the wife and kids now. Wait for June to buy my own next gen!

Apr 04, 08 - 10:19 am Comment from: JAYGEE

Must be because the iPhone sales are not doing that well in Europe. A 3G iPhone will do a lot better in Europe.

Apr 04, 08 - 10:27 am Comment from: Hollywood North

It's not selling... too expensive.

Apr 04, 08 - 10:35 am Comment from: eMax

If the iphone goes 3G in every market its sold, it would suck.

I mean okay a 3G iphone a year after its US debut in the US is one thing, but if you were a customer in another market who got their very expensive EDGE iphone only to have the 3G iphone come out a few months later its like what was the point of selling the EDGE iphone at all?

And its not just buying the iphone right before the 3G comes out its havening the non 3G iphone released less then 1 year before the 3G comes out.

Apr 04, 08 - 10:37 am Comment from: hamdog

i'll be moving to austria in a month. is it possible to use a germany-purchased iphone in austria? or does it all have to do with the plans and where you sign up? i don't need one, but for €99 i'll buy one.

Also possible due to the weaker dollar. Apple will still be making money. Simple global economics!

According to Ampar's "logic", price cutting is a sign of "desperation".

"Last month, Avid struck back by slashing the price of Media Composer from $5,000 to $2,500."

Smell that? It's not your upper lip. It's the stink of desperation. Adapt or die.

Adapt or die, huh, fanboi?

I live in Germany, and I think that the iPhone is doing very well in sales. There's never the level of advertising here vs America, (Ralph is spot on with that one) but I see quite a few where I live. I also think that it is very normal over here to do promotions such as this for any handset, no matter how popular, especially if they are getting ready for a new model for business and consumer.

I wonder what people will say when AT&T;start doing the same thing eventually, when there are more models to offer?

@Hollywood North: "Too expensive"? Maybe the service, but definitely not the phone, with Nokia's going for 800 Euro or more, with half the features. That's what's great about consumer choice. If you want crap, someone will ALWAYS be available to point people in the right direction.

Just like the Mac, people who want something a bit better will always navigate to it naturally.
I honestly think that no matter what, as far as the iPhone is concerned, at the end of 2008, the naysayers and whiners will be proven wrong once again.

Apr 04, 08 - 10:56 am Comment from: Jim - TIV

wonder if I can get one and unlock it for use in the usa?

Apr 04, 08 - 11:00 am Comment from: Ampar

"in a two-month campaign"

It's a temporary campaign.

Avid's is permanent. But then you really are too stupid to grasp such a simple concept, ass munch.

Apr 04, 08 - 11:02 am Comment from: Big Al

It didn't take long for an Apple partner to break ranks, discount the iPhone and let the cat out of the bag that a new model would be arriving in July. Just shows you how having official Apple stores in a country can increase iPhone sales.

I can't tell A fib anything. First you have to get A fib's attention. In order to do that you have to hit him/her between the eyes with a 2X4. I can't find the son/daughter of a bitch to do that so no sense arguing with him/her.

Knowing he/she is full of shit helps though.

Apr 04, 08 - 11:18 am Comment from: Ampar

"Knowing he/she is full of shit helps though."

Let's go with neither he nor she. Like a eunuch.

And being that constipated must be awfully painful.

Sox - it may be T-Mobile Germany who is losing money on the sales price of the iPhone rather than Apple. Doing so still generate a nice revenue stream for T-Mobile Germany that will make up for the loss in the iPhone's sales price. In other words an instance of the classic razor / razor blade analogy.

Peace.

Apr 04, 08 - 11:36 am Comment from: ron

"wonder if I can get one and unlock it for use in the usa?"


Different voltages, different charger. But why not? Just don't go back to Germany.

It ain´t selling in Deutschland.

So much about all those shortages of iPhones.....

Germany has had the most dissapointing (with only 70k in the first 11 weeks) iPhone sales among France/UK/Germany, so this move was kinda expected..

Apr 04, 08 - 12:00 pm Comment from: Ampar

It's a shame it doesn't dispense beer. Next model?

And in Germany the iPhone is just about the only Apple product with Advertisments on TV.

In my day-to-day going out and about I have yet to see any German using an Apple iPhone.

It is way overpriced (the service) plus lots of limits on the service. And as far as buying it and taking it to the states? Nah-it is only sold at t-online stores and you have to sign up for the 2-year contract when you buy the phone.

They are getting a better deal then us now

Wow

Ampar's "Price Cut and Desperation" statement was at 11:17 AM and you quote him at 11:46 AM. You can't seriously assume an MDN logic to hold more than 15 minutes. Things change.

Four legs good, two legs bad. Press release. Two legs good, four legs bad.

Apr 04, 08 - 01:10 pm Comment from: Ampar

@ @Afib:

Let's try this again. Read this slowly and out loud.
Avid's price cut is not a temporary twelve week promotion like T-Mobile Germany's. If all iPhones everywhere were being heavily discounted as a permanent price point, then it would be comparable.

Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing. One brain good.

Apr 04, 08 - 01:32 pm Comment from: ron

@Ampar, communication, like spelling, is difficult for some.

British soldiers WW2, "Send reinforcements,we're going to advance".

Message received, "Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance".

Apr 04, 08 - 01:40 pm Comment from: Ampar

To ron:

Like Creedence Clearwater Revival once said so well, "There's a bathroom on the right."

@Ampar
"If all iPhones everywhere were being heavily discounted as a permanent price point, then it would be comparable."

Oh, now I see. On Sep 05 2007 when all iPhones were being heavily discounted as a permanent price point (from $599 to $399) it was the stink of desperation and not California forest fires.

That is way outside the 15 minute logic rule, but I think we have something there?

Two legs good.

Apr 04, 08 - 02:17 pm Comment from: Ampar

To Four legged whatever:

You're comparing the initial iPhone pricing adjustment to Avid dropping the price of Media Composer 50% after 19 years (Released in 1989 on the Macintosh II as an offline editing system.) on the market in an obviously desperate effort to stay alive?

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKY, LITTLE PORCINE MIND?

Forget that. Rhetorical question, Napoleon. Stay in school.

@Ampar

Actually you were doing the comparison.
"If all iPhones everywhere were being heavily discounted as a permanent price point, then it would be comparable".
I just referred to the real-life event that fit your criteria.

But don't be sad. I love you (along with most of the MDN readers) for your funny one-liners, which are truly entertaining and witty. Bringing logic and reason in to the equation will risk you loosing your talent. So please don't. When you get defensive you are not so funny. Skip that and move on.

Two legs bad.

Apr 04, 08 - 03:20 pm Comment from: Ampar

The initial pricing adjustment on the iPhones in September was not the same as Avid's recent marketing reaction after almost twenty years. The approx. 12 week promotion from T-Mobile Germany doesn't compare to Avid's move either. Time is the factor in each case and perfectly logical.

Apr 04, 08 - 03:21 pm Comment from: Ampar

P.S. Oh, and thanks.

Apr 04, 08 - 03:23 pm Comment from: Ampar

P.P.S. O.K. Is this better?

"If all iPhones everywhere were being heavily discounted as a permanent price point after almost twenty years, then it would be reasonably comparable."

Ampar:

"Desperation" is your apparent frustration attempting to reconcile your previously half-baked statements. According to the original article, Avid's price cut for Media Composer has been in effect for approximately one month. Please provide evidence of Avid's "permanent" price reduction for Media Composer?

ron:

@Ampar, communication, like spelling, is difficult for some.

British soldiers WW2, "Send reinforcements,we're going to advance".

Message received, "Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance."

Ron, your point would be valid if the messages communicated were receive aurally and not as written text. You obviously cannot differentiate the basic function of eyes and ears, fanboi. I'll be even Ampar didn't observe your inept comparisons.

Hey, Ampar,

I often read these comments looking for your one-liners. You have a real talent and incisiveness. Stay cool with the nonsense from others, it's just bait from those who love to share their misery.

Rob:

"I often read these comments looking for your one-liners."

Maybe Ampar's best work is limited to short fragments.

"You have a real talent and incisiveness."

Ampar has a talent for ineptitude and crass language, that's all. Please provide an example of Ampar's "incisiveness". I haven't read any of Ampar's threads that convince me that he has the ability to think clearly.

Apr 04, 08 - 05:05 pm Comment from: Ampar

Hi Rob:

Thanks! I appreciate the compliments.
I enjoy getting positive and constructive feedback.

"Stay cool with the nonsense from others, it's just bait from those who love to share their misery."

Wise words and good advice. Thanks again, Rob.

And to Four legs bad:
"When you get defensive you are not so funny."

Yep. I know. But thanks.

Apr 04, 08 - 05:33 pm Comment from: ron

@afib. Communication, is just that, in ALL its forms.

F-sk you very much for your help.

ron:

You wrote:

"British soldiers WW2, "Send reinforcements, we're going to advance".

Message received, "Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance."

You originally referred to messages received via the ear in the form of vibrations of molecules transmitted through air and misinterpreted owing to similarly sounding words. Messages at MDA are communicated as text, not as speech, so your comparison is invalid.

Let's examine the two sentences you threaded regarding WW2 British soldiers. The first sentence consists of 6 words: 3 words have 1 syllable, 2 words have 2 syllables, and 1 words has 4 syllables. The second sentence consists of 9 words: 7 words have 1 syllable, 2 words have 2 syllables, and no words have 4 syllables.

Sentence 1 has 33% fewer words than sentence 2.
Sentence 1 has 57% fewer one syllable words than sentence 2.
Sentence 1 and sentence 2 both have the same number of 2 syllable words (perhaps this is where you became confused).
Sentence 1 has one word with 4 syllables, sentence 2 has no words with 4 syllables.

There are too many dissimilarities between the two sentences to be confused about how the messages as written text

It is possible to read the threads here out load and it is possible for you to confuse the sound of the words once they are spoken, but there can be no misinterpretation regarding written text that is seen by the eye. If you were reading the test out load and misinterpreted what you were hearing it would have been prudent to have re-read the text.

Consider this, a person who is deaf could understand what is written at MDN even though they had no capacity to hear. However, a person who is blind might not hear correctly and misinterpret the text.

Are you blind and/or deaf?

What text have you had difficulty understanding?

Has this been helpful for you?

"F-sk you very much for your help."

No need to become so angry, ron. You were wrong, learn from your mistakes, and move on. You should be more like Ampar and take constructive criticism more graciously.

Apr 04, 08 - 07:16 pm Comment from: Ampar

To ron:

And what really sucks is that Afib is a conservative Republican.

Peace.

Apr 04, 08 - 07:58 pm Comment from: TowerTone

"And what really sucks is that Afib is a conservative Republican."

I don't get it......

Apr 04, 08 - 08:03 pm Comment from: Ampar

That's o.k., TowerTone. Afib will explain exactly what, how and why you should be thinking. Isn't that great?

Apr 04, 08 - 08:28 pm Comment from: bond co. stooge

Hey Look! Mac Dude is off his meds on Friday night! Imagine that!!

Ampar, you have my permission to answer TowerTone's question to the best of your ability.

Apr 04, 08 - 08:42 pm Comment from: Ampar

To bond co. stooge:

LMAO ! !

Apr 04, 08 - 08:45 pm Comment from: Ampar

"you have my permission"

Sweet. That's what every poster here wants. Are there any Cheetos left?

Ampar, you expressed reluctance to answer a simple question. I didn't want you to feel intimidated by my presence. So, please, give it your best shot, it's OK. How much time do you need?

Apr 04, 08 - 09:34 pm Comment from: Ampar

TT: Suddenly, Frank seems almost normal. Almost.

Well, Ampar, considering your responses here at MDN, I would be reluctant to use your definition of "normal" as an indicator of acceptable condition of being. What is your definition of "normal" and how has your definition been validated?

Apr 04, 08 - 11:09 pm Comment from: bond co. stooge

@ Ampar

Gotchyer back, bud

bond co, stooge:

The slavish devotion you fanbois have for one another is remarkable, pathetic, but remarkable.