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What a turd

Wow. What an idiot. I've read every book on Apple for the past 15 years and never found a single shred of evidence to support that. What an idiot.

If Tera were around she'd rip the guy. Thanks MDN for exposing such idiocy.

Bambi Hambi
Mac360

How could Microsoft have written the first MacOS "nearly two decades ago" when the first MacOS was written well before that (for Lisa) and at least by 1984.

MS developed some of the first apps available for the Macintosh.

Who is it that signs his checks? I need a job and know absolutley nothing of Apples' history. Shoot me a line Rob. Seriously

Is this what is called revisionist history?

I think he meant when it comes to software developement...i could be wrong...

I think Enderle is probably thinking of AppleSoft BASIC, the floating point BASIC written by Microsoft for the Apple ][ and licensed by Apple in 1977.

How can anyone take analysis written by an analyst that doesn't do his research?

I'm afraid there's to be no end to Enderle's moronity (I know it's not a word but it just sounds so right for him).

MS did NOT write the original Mac OS. I don't know where he pulled this tidbit from, but it's probably better that way. I've read every book ever written about Apple and, no, it's absolutely 100% not true. There isn't even some slight connection that could be blown out of proportion to concoct such an idea. The original Mac OS was probably 90% finished before MS even knew it existed.

One could, however, argue that Apple wrote the first version of Windows ; )

Microsoft has NEVER even written their OWN operating system, having bought the first one (MS-DOS) and stolen the other (Windows).

Enderle needs to up his lithium dose.

BTW, just one more thing...

"With a Palm user experience which rivals Apple’s, that being no surprise given Palm’s Apple roots..."

Uh, what roots, Rob? Palm came from Apple? Apple invested in Palm? Nada. About the only 'roots' could be some former Apple employees helped create Palm at US Robotics. That's hardly 'Apple roots.'

Bambi Hambi
Mac360

Where does this guy get these fairy tales from? The first Mac OS was done by Apple for Apple and then in 1995 Windows came out with there clone OS. A bad imitation but it was the same.

MS signs his checks, and since MS is running so scared of Google and Apple and Linux, they're writing bigger checks than normal to idiots like Enderle.

Hope no-one followed the link to his bankrupt, vaporous site...

What a joy to learn history from the great Tech Pundit Rob Enderle:

"Microsoft wrote the first MacOS under contract to Apple"

ah, yes... and George Washington wrote the first draft of the Gettysburg Address (from the grave no less)!

Enderle must be getting paid big bucks from Microsoft to spew this level of FUD to the masses. Sad thing is that there will be an army of folks who believe him blindly without questioning where in the world he got that information. I do not even see how folks consider him a "journalist."

The Village Idiot is correct. Enderle is remembering (!) that, while Woz wrote Integer BASIC for the Apple II, MS wrote Applesoft BASIC for the Apple II circa 1978. And it wasn't really the OS. The Apple II "Redbook" defines the 2K ROM that was the Apple II "OS".

Please don't click on the Fudmeister link, thank you.

Never seen any evidence that MS had anything to do with writing the Mac OS, but there are some really good articles by Andy Hertzfeld on folklore.org which outline a different story....

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=A_Rich_Neighbor_Named_Xerox.txt&characters=Bill Gates&sortOrder=Sort by Date&detail=medium

Mr Wizard,

Enderle clearly wrote "MacOS," not Apple II's 2K ROM. The Village Idiot is incorrect.

- Andy

mdn editors-

can you please stop linking to his website? i think most of the regulars know not to give him hits, but for all the new mac users who come here, it's just wrong to give them the chance to support him. no matter your side, if you visit his page, he wins. don't let it happen!

dogfriend,

Thanks much for the repetitive link for those of us who missed MDN's last bulleted link.

If you remove the case from an original 128K Mac (not easy to do since you need a special tool), you will see engraved on the inside of the case the signatures of the team who developed the Macintosh -- the team at Apple shown in the picture on the left above. Funny, no mention of Microsoft. Guess Apple forgot to list them )

MDN, stop running this brain-dead fools nonsense in your headlines!

Incase you're not aware, services like Google News picks up the crap, shows it on their headlines page; it then gets replicated by the lazy syndication junkies and takes on a life of its own.

If you insist on running headlines with this moron's name, at least use a <i>descriptive</i> adjective before his name.

Maybe this guy has Apple mixed up with IBM. Microsoft was contracted to write what became OS/2 for IBM. That product is now about to be terminated. (yes, they actually still have OS/2 right now)

Well, one thing's for sure:

Rob "Earthquake" Enderle just became Rob "Microsoft wrote the first Mac OS" Enderle.

For an encore, next week Mr. Enderle will claim that Marie Antoinette wrote the USA's first Declaration of Independence.

I hope, I mean REALLY HOPE, that this is the result of a typo along the lines of "...wrote software for the first MacOS..." but the as I re-read it, it appears less likely.

Furthermore, pretty much every other fact he presents appears to have been plucked out of nowhere, though I do seem to remember that a number of the people involved in Newton did end up working on the Palm project so that part is based (partially) on reality.

Was this one written after a heavy night on the beers?

Or is he just a dolt?

Enderle is a BOOB..... Microsoft DID NOT write any version of the MAC OS. Now, if you want to discuss Apple OS's before the 1984 Mac, we can talk about that, as Microsoft did do work with Apple on the DOS Apple products......

Sorry Sarcastic Sal,

I would remove the extra link if I could. I hope you didn't get a cramp in your index finger from clicking on it.

Sincerely

Your Pal, Dogfriend

>>For an encore, next week Mr. Enderle will claim that Marie Antoinette wrote the USA's first Declaration of Independence.

Has there been more than one? <g>

Microsoft wrote basic for the Apple II, not the Mac OS. Enderle is terribly confused...

Why does MDN dignify and spread the statements of clearly biased pundits? Everybody knows that Enderle has no clue the only thing keeping him alive is our consideration and the extra revenue he gets from those who travel to his site through MDN's links. Lets ignore him to death, or even worse, irrelevance.

This guy must be on crack and the Microsoft payroll... he is dangerous and pathetic... if a lie repeated a thousand times becomes the truth ... then he needs to be sued and his falsehoods silenced...

abqmac:

He is not terribly confused, it is not a typo error. He did it with the intention to get hits on his site. And this is not the first time.

He is doing more or less the same as those infamous e-mails with bad news from x or y product, or a person in need for a kidney or those on which they say that hotmail or MSN Messenger services are going to have a fee. The reaction of the people is to spread the word and someone, somewhere, get a big list of e-mail addresses. Just don't go to his site.

MW "Because" as in "Do not go to his site BECAUSE he is in need for hits"

Paul is a tool.

He actually thinks Microsoft wrote the Mac OS.

Rob, the original Mac OS worked well and fit on a 400 kb floppy.

It wasn't a bloated, bug ridden POS. That alone should have given you a clue that Microsoft did not have anything to do with it.

There is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this error. Mr. Enderle was obviously concussed by a tipping iMac G5.

I was selling for the Byte Shop up in Seattle in the early 80's, 80-85, and M$ did NOT write the first Mac OS.

As a matter of fact it was written in Pascal.

Now, isn't he a dahling, our dear li'l Enderle:) I guess he mixed some wishful thinking into his memory bank and while he was thinking of the software MS wrote for Apple, he had it growing into the entire OS.
I am happy MDN keep publishing these entertaining stories=) We all need a good laugh once in a while...

I think he meant when it comes to software developement...i could be wrong...

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Ah, I see.. of course, we all know what an OS is.. could this be Enderle's worst typo ever?

"It is interesting to note, that few seem to remember that Microsoft wrote for the first MacOS under contract to Apple nearly two decades ago but, like most Apple partnerships, this one also ended badly." - Rob Enderle, September 26th, 2005"

Maybe he is confusing Microsoft with Xerox PARC? Of course, PARC didn't write the first Mac OS, but Apple did borrow (buy, license, something like that) a bit of the GUI and the mouse from PARC.

Since Mac 128k says:
"Why does MDN dignify and spread the statements of clearly biased pundits? Everybody knows that Enderle has no clue the only thing keeping him alive is our consideration and the extra revenue he gets from those who travel to his site through MDN's links. Lets ignore him to death, or even worse, irrelevance."

I'm not sure, but I think it's because the MDN editors are themselves "clearly biased pundits", and these types tend to enjoy flaming each other more than just about any other activity. Don't get me wrong - as an Apple fan myself, I definitely enjoy the MDN brand of bias more than the MS alternatives, but still ... don't ever come to this sight and expect the editors to devote the majority of their time to anything else. Like journalism or objectivity.

I like the posters though. Good bunch!

Anyway, I agree with what someone already said; I wish they would stop linking to, and thus promoting, him. And if they can't help themselves, then we should boycott reading him regardless. Enderly needs to be given the slow, painful, and totally anonymous 'professional death' he deserves, ASAP.

If Microsoft wrote the first MacOS, why did they make such a pig's ear of the port to x86, and why did it take them so long (20+ years and still waiting) to make it work properly?

If Enderhurl was referring the MS Basic that was on the Apple II series, than he not only screwed up the computer and OS, but also the time frame. That would be more like almost 3 decades ago, not 2.

Still, Enderhurl is just like an accident on the side of the road, ya gotta look. Morbid can sometimes be funny, and he is living proof.

The air is obviously very thin at Rob Enderles place.

Great shot of Microsoft. The only thing missing is the banjo.

Applesoft basic was written by Steve Wozniak, the other Steve at Apple. This is total nonsense. The nice thing about this is that you learn not to believe everything that is published and this applies to a all fields of journalism.

The sad thing is, Enderle really believes this... stuff, he writes. He really does. I've had a few email exchanges with him and it is impossible to penetrate the "Enderle Reality Distortion Field" any anything remotely resembling facts. He just brushes them aside with appeals to his own authority, which I've never accepted.

It will be no use calling him on this complete load of BS, he will never be convinced otherwise.

The only nice thing I have to say about him, as an "analyst," is that he does read and answer his own email.

HAHAHA! That's a funny picture of the MS geeks! Is that li'l Billy in the lower left corner?!

Apple needs to sue this guy. He's writing absolutely false statements that negatively impact the companies financial viability. This is not freedom of the press, this is defamatory, it's libel, it would probably be slander if the idiot that wrote it was capable of answering questions or speaking in public (this kind of things seems to go unnoticed these days). Name him and sue him for being the slimy scumbag he is. I hope someone reports him for tax evasion. Wonder who gets his back in jail? Because you know some perjury is going to be happening.

MW=question
Question: What would you do to this guy in a dark alley?

He's talking about Macs, and he's talking about the Mac OS.

Don't look for a hidden way to make him right. He's completely deluded and an idiot.

Or starting a myth on purpose.

Dazed and Confused wrote:
"Great shot of Microsoft. The only thing missing is the banjo."

Dang. As a banjo player and an Apple lover, that hurts, and hurts badly!

MW "country" as in the only real country music ever created was bluegrass.

g5mac writes: “Now, if you want to discuss Apple OS's before the 1984 Mac, we can talk about that, as Microsoft did do work with Apple on the DOS Apple products......”

WRONG! Sorry, but this is not at all true. The first computer i ever bought was an Apple ][ in 1979. A year or two later i heard Steve Wozniak talk at an Apple user’s group. Woz said he wrote Integer BASIC, the Apple ][ ROM and [Apple] DOS. (DOS was later enhanced for 16-sector tracks, and an “autostart ROM” was developed, but both were in-house enhancements, and i think Woz was involved in both.)

Applesoft, the floating point BASIC, was written by M$. M$ also made a Z80 card for the Apple ][ which ran a version of CP/M. That is the closest M$ has come to having anything to do with any Apple OS. (But so few were sold that not many people remember it.)

M$ had nothing to do with Apple DOS, Apple ProDOS, Pascal, MFS, HFS, A/UX, Macintosh System Software, MacOS, nor MacOS X.

If you’re feeling charitable, you can say the idiot Enderle was thinking of the M$ Z80 card (but i seriously doubt he has ever heard of it). If he was thinking of Applesoft, that was a computer programing language, not an OS! And it wasn’t even in ROM at first; had to load it from cassette tape originally.

The very early Apple ][’s didn’t even have a disk drive. Later, that became an option. Woz wrote DOS for the Apple ][ after he invented a very clever Apple ][ disk controller card. Woz did some amazing things. Everybody else’s disk controller cards were huge by comparison.

Note to readers who may not remember the 80’s: “DOS” is a generic term, an acronym, which simply means: Disk Operating System. The term was in use long before there was a M$.

MS didnt write ANY MacOS. Maybe some Apple II Software, but thats a far cry from being a Mac OS. JUst goes to show this idiot doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about.