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I have a warm and fuzzy feeling inside

"Sure, the product he showed off was a phone, something so expensive and so limited in capacity that it won't -- can't -- have the same traction as the iPod."

Please make a note of this quote for future reference - say, between late 2008-mid-2009.

A prettier user interface? What kinda crack is this guy smoking?!

I keep seeing Charlie Brown at Halloween going from door to door. At each door his friends cry out, "I got an iPod Shuffle!" "I got a Nano!" "I got an iPod with video!" "I got an iPhone!" And at each door, poor Charlie Brown says quietly, "I got a Zune. *sigh*"

MDN Magic Word: piece -- "Now every one can see what a piece of shit Zune is."

"I have a warm and fuzzy feeling inside"

I do too and I don't even like phones. I hope Apple comes out with a nice dumbphone (that'll still be smarter than everyone else's 'smartphone') for about $150. Then I might be able to talk myself into buying one.


Unless I get lucky and win the lotto.

let's have some fun: predict the widescreen iPod price, specs and release date.

I'll go with: $399, 100GB, March.

The only oddity about this is that all those cool new media iPhone features would make it to the iPod first. It would be odd for Apple to wait until June to release a new iPod though.

You're just talking about what Apple has done to the Zune, you might want to look at what Apple has done to Motorola. Motorola lagged on their chip development, they lagged on their design of the iTunes phone, and now they, like MS will eventually cease to be relevant.

Holler back, young-en's!

Yeah, people are going to be trying, and failing, to copy the iPhone. Though I expect a new iPod that is more than an iPod. It's a music player, plus WiFi computer. You can browse the net, email, etc, plus watch movies.

That would be a killer device. I thought it was interesting that the iPhone supposedly switches between WiFi and EDGE. That is really cool.

Ode to a Zune:

It was born a paperweight,

It lived as a paperweight,

It died as a paperweight.

Alas, brown turdzune, we hardly knew ye.

*Flush*

The difference between Apple's offerings and those it's competitor's is...

Apple is doing design and calling it a new product.
The competitor's are doing parts integration and calling it something new.

There was a time (the 90's to be exact) that the public was very technically un-savvy. They did not know what parts were out there. So grabbing a bunch of parts ..combining them and calling it a new product ( a'la Dell) was the rage.

Now parts integration won't do for cutting edge anymore. People want designs that answer what they want and they need out of the technology (the parts). Just having a feature isn't good enough. The feature has to be useful. Who care's about Wi-Fi music players if the Wi-Fi does not work as it is needed to.

Just my $0.02

P.S. I still wish Apple would of introduced a new full size Mac yesterday.

Does this all means that my newtons are hot again? (they have bluetooth and wifi)

Or did I miss something, somewhere?

While, at the same time, making the Macintosh computer a boat anchor!

I want to know when we will see announcements on OSX 10.5, iLife '07 and such. Will each of the coming months bring us special announcements?

Back to the iPhone, how will this work with existing car iPod connections? I have an '06 Scion xA with factory iPod connection in the console. When plugged in I can take over the music portion of the iPod from the stereo and steering wheel controls. The screen on the iPod simply says "Scion: OK to Disconnect." So will I not be able to plug in the iPhone into my system for music and be able to receive phone calls? Does it make sense for someone driving a Scion to own a $500 phone?

I would LOVE to have been in the zune development room this first thing morning. I'll bet they're all STILL just looking at each other with blank expressions on their faces!

I can hear them now, "who new? I didn't know, did you know?" "Hey man, we were only doing what we were told!"

More from the zune room:
"Hey! I just got and idea! Lets make a phone!"

Although the FCC requirements are one reason to delay the release of the iPhone, the other is more basic: It runs on Leopard (you can tell by the use of Core Animation) and needs that to be done before it is released.

This will hold up any new iPods that use the same platform.

@iSteve

We'll see 10.5, iLife07, and new computers/displays as soon as Apple is through incorporating multi-touch and the other new technologies into them. If your fingers can enlarge/compress a picture on the iPhone, why not in iPhoto also?

Kiss the mouse/trackpad good-bye. Next laptops will have a touch screen in place of the trackpad. I also think we will see a separate touch screen to use with current desktop Macs as well as with the new hardware/software.

iPhone is not the end product for the technologies introduced yesterday. Those technologies are about to be "disruptive" in the extremis.

If someone has 10GB of content on their 30Gb Zune, the iPhone is not going to be able to compete thanks to its puny iPod nano storage capacity.

As soon as Apple gives the iPhone a decent amount of storage space to hold movies, TV shows, music and photos (in addition to the version of Mac OS X installed), THEN it will make the Zune a paperweight.

You know how the Zune copied the click-wheel but only the LOOK of the click-wheel? Try and copy the buttons on an iPhone (and probably upcoming iPods), Microshaft! You can't copy them just in looks! HA HA!

http://www.g-zus.net/

MDN Magic Word: looked, i.e. it looked like a click-wheel but wasn't.

Also from the Zune Room: Let's not only make a phone but let's use Windows CE—that's just as good as OS X on the iPhone! Then we can run Excel on our cell phones—that will get lots of people real excited!

Seriously, Motley Fool nails it—the iPhone is just the beginning. Expect a brand new class of iPods, media products, electronic appliances, etc. and here-to-fore unimagined products running this Mini-Me OS X.

The real story isn't the phone but the ability to run OS X on something 1/2 inch thick, 4 Gigs of flash memory and fits into your shirt pocket. This opens up entirely new "Vistas" for for the Mac OS X computing experience.

I'm sure the Zune team is busy wondering how they can superglue on a cell phone and add a way to integrate, poorly, with all map services. You know, it would be better because you would have a choice of 10 different map services. AND it allow you to share a song for 3 plays or 3 days! That's social...y'know, like myspace? Oooh, oooh, oohh, also, they could add a web-browser, but you could only get on the pages of their partners...and it would cost per page as well as per kb of data. It would still be available in brown, of course. The good part is, they never had a click wheel of which to get rid! So there is room for a keyboard. Last, I believe they could splurge and put on a lot more buttons and stuff, which, obviously, means better.

And this coming from a Microsoft shareholder, no less!

Paging Zune Tang....paging Zune Tang....

Of course, there's no way in hell that I'd buy a current 5 or 5.5 gen iPod now. Hope we don't have to wait that long for the new iPod.

zune has the same resolution as the iPod, they just make a wider deforming screen. So Motley fool has no idea about thech specs. They just buy products because some body told them to do so.

Motley FOOL is a good name, " I can hawk it as a collector's item on eBay. Let's hope it gets me enough for a snazzy new iPod."

Yeah, sell it to the dumb, deaf, blind and dense school. For a door stop.

What a lot of people fail to realize is that the main reason for the iPhone delay is FCC approval. The groundwork is already done. I would not be a bit surprised to see them release a very similar iPod (80-100gb) by March. The hoopla around the iPhone has distracted everyone away from this possibility.

Let's see.... Widescreen, 100gb, wifi, bluetooth, OSX, everything from the iPhone minus the phone part and add a hard drive. Just like the article predicted.

Guaranteed, the 6th-gen iPod will be iPhone - phone + HDD. But it won't come out before the iPhone. To do so would be to screw Cingular over. I'm sure their partner wants a few months to be the only one offering this treat.

I'm guessing the 6th-gen iPod will come out for Christmas '07.

I'm betting you'll see the iPod get this stuff in September--in time for Christmas. I don't think you'll see a nano until next year, but it's a vague possibility that it'd also be in September.

The reasons? I'll admit, the iPod one is a lame reason--monetizing the work. Apple will want to make as much money off their investment as they can. That means selling it at a premium. I don't think Apple wants to sell it for $249 when they may be able to convince people to spend $499 for it. They'll flush those people out in June and July and be ready to sell it to the rest of us in September.

The nano rationale for next year is mostly a "wait and see" approach. The nano is sporty and I'm concerned with how well the iPhone-like screen will work after being scratched and abused. Remember that part of the reason Apple switched to colored aluminum with the nano is that nanos were getting scratched up. Some time to see what happens would be a good thing.

What the hell is this moron talking about?

It's Apple who has the monopoly on paperweights and clips. You can clip miscellaneous papers together with one of those crappy, no-screen shuffle thingys, or put one of those dumpy-brick iPods on a stack of papers. Voilà, instant organization. That's all those things are good for.

My Zune on the other hand blows that iPhone vaporware out of the water. Available to the public in June? Don't make me laugh. That thing is going back to the lab for more redesigns than Joan Rivers' face. When you consider that OS X abomination is running things on that Zune wannabe you know it doesn't have a chance. My Zune is available now with a more fluid and intuitive interface than the hacks in Cupertino could ever come up with. Just wait until there is a ZunePhone. My first call will be a conference between me, clyde and Buster.
You won't all be so smug then. It will have Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile! Redmond, you rock.

Your potential. Our passion.

The real revolution here seems to be overlooked by everyone but Steve Jobs! The iPhone is just a phone, an iPod, and an internet device combined. It's really a hand held Mac that can make cell phone calls, and that's the true revolution. It won't really be clear until the 2nd generation iPhone, when storage capacity will undoubtly be much higher, but when it happens, we'll see these things hooking up to external displays and keyboards. The laptop is the new desktop and the iPhone is the new laptop.

Waiting for my relative at Apple to send me my iMac. Welcome to the revolution!!

Ugh! That should read "The iPhone ISN'T just a phone, an iPod and..."

http://www.applefritter.com

Pathetic shtick, ZT.

Please, please, get a new act! Vaudeville is SO dead!

I've been checking Amazon's top 100 electronics listings every week or so since the Zune came out. After the initial hype the black one settled into the 60s range out of 100 best sellers -- sometimes in the 50s sometimes in the 70s, but mostly sitting comfortably in the 60s . The white and brown ones didn't show up on the list at all.

Today I checked again. Now there are no Zunes of any color in Amazon's top 100 sellers.

Seems like the social got moved to a new location.

My Zune on the other hand blows that iPhone vaporware out of the water.

by far Zune Tang's best line ever. That was awesome.

Oh my God! kirkgay is right! It's gone from the Electronics list! It's also down to 22 in the MP3 Players category.

But it's still sitting at #6 in the Hard-Drive-based MP3 Players category, behind the Creative Zen Vision:M. So that's the stat that Microsoft will be showing.

Zune Tang, I Love you man It seems that most of the time you're the only person with humor around here. I find it amazing that people are still so stupid as to take you for a windows troll.

So... I was thinking. You know how the Zune sharing feature totally blows for so many reasons, such as the 3 day/play limit, the transfer time, only enabling 'push' transfers instead of 'pull' transfers, and not being able to actively search other Zune's libraries?

Well... now we'll have a device that's a Wi-Fi (yich.. I have always hated that term) enabled iPod running full-on iTunes. Would iTunes LAN sharing features work just like they do on the Mac? Could you browse and stream other iPhone users' shared libraries at the coffee shop and stream content from them the same way? I certainly don't see any reason why not.

The question is - Would this be 7 hundred million times better than Squirting?

I'm gonna go way out on a limb, here, and say Yes.

Thoughts?

-c

MW: 'built' (with humans in mind)

ZT: Your signature should be 'Your stupidity.' 'Our passion-a bulging bank account from that stupidity'

I just watched a story about the iPhone on a German news program, where they interviewed a writer from the German tech mag CONNECT. He shrugged off the iPhone, saying that it doesn't do anything that curent smartphones from Nokia and Sony Ericsson do. The point is not realy what the iPhone can do; rather, how it does it, which is much more intuitive than anything else. This is a point that is unfortunately lost on the majority of tech writers outside of the US regarding the iPhone.

New cars can't really do anything that old cars can't do. So I wonder why people keep buying new ones...

"Apple has over 200 patents on iPhone"

They obviously don't want to repeat the same mistake of letting MS copy everything they do, like the original Mac. Apple only received about $100 million for it all. Despite this, I hope they begin to licence a limited number of technologies to defined companies to make products that do not compete with Apple.

No one has said this yet - the iPhone, with it's WiFi, graphical & programmable interface would be great for all those warehouse and medical PDA-type uses. Also, I think the GPS function will come as a plug-in option.

Finally, the aTV with MacOX X, Intel processor (Core 2 Duo?) and 40 Gb drive would make a great gaming console. Install games via iTunes. Plus I reckon it can REALLY support 1080i, but they're only saving 720p for now. A firmware update will update this once they have the content deals ready.

You know, when Zune Tang first came on here I really did think he was a real Zune user and pro MS guy. Up until now I still had my doubts that he was just a Mac head messing about but after todays comments....

... well, now I think it's MDN just having fun to get more posts on their site because anyone who says the Zune is in any way better than Apple's new phone should really be comitted to the nuthouse.

MDN word: TAKEN
[ TAKEN the piss all along ]


Zune Tang: thanks for the laughs man. You're one funny geezer...

Nuthouse?

Shithouse!

Turdzune.

Flush!

Hey Cisco, now that's an iPhone, eh? Lol. Just like pornography, and shit from shine-o-la, we know it when we see it don't we? And on that note: Suck it Zune! Take a serious, serious dirt-nap.

Go Apple,Inc.!

My goodnes! Another pc moron. What a waste of bandwidth...
I simply cannot find that kind of article funny. I find it insulting.

Apple makes Microsoft's Zune a papeweight?

Jobs makes Microsoft's Ballmer a pantywaist! [Sound of chair smashing against wall.]

The Motley IDIOT!

ZUNE prettier design? this guys is a TOTAL IDIOT!

Bah. Go away, Fake Zune Tang.

MW: soon. Please!

Zune, from mp3 to coprolite in just weeks.