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The Motley Fool: Apple ‘may be the next Dell’
Friday, April 07, 2006 - 10:03 AM EST

"How do we value Apple's stock now [that Boot Camp has been released]? To answer, we'll need to dig into Apple's strategy. I've got my own opinions on that, but I'll first give the floor to an old friend of mine, Rich Levin, a former InformationWeek editor and host of a national radio show covering tech topics. We've debated this and that about the Mac for what seems like just short of forever," Tim Beyers writes for The Motley Fool. "This time, however, I think he's spot-on:"

"It's the first EFFECTIVE strike at Dell. It's also a strike at Microsoft, and uses its own OS against them. And it's a dual-edged 'Win' [sic] for Microsoft ... Every Windows user will consider a Mac if Apple prices them competitively, and continues to produce computers that have style, superior engineering, and better quality overall in a world of commodity tin-box PCs ... Flip side: Apple's strike at Dell and Microsoft will not be maximally effective unless users don't encounter limitations. They have to embrace Windows hardware, games, etc."

Beyers writes, "I couldn't agree more... Apple's courtship of Windows users isn't new. Ever since October 2003, when Apple first released the iTunes Music Store for Windows, Apple has been on a mission to woo PC loyalists. And that makes sense. If CEO Steve Jobs really wants a spot on the couch, he's got to have a platform that, at the very least, offers the most and best video games. That's not the Mac today. It's Windows. (After the Xbox, Playstation, and the like, of course.) Think about that for a second, and then think about this: Every PC maker -- Dell especially -- wants to be your coach in the Couch Potato Games. To date, they've had two advantages over Apple: price and Windows. The first was eroded substantially when the Mac mini debuted with PC-like pricing. The second died with the introduction of Boot Camp. That leaves design and brand appeal as differentiators. Do you really believe Apple can't win that battle?"

Beyer's does some calculations and "puts [Apple] stock at more than $137 a share, or at least a double from yesterday's close...Nice, right? Indeed. Just bear in mind that this valuation has several flaws. For one, Apple may already be richly valued. Second, Apple may not convince a substantial number of Windows users to buy Macs. Third, iPod and iTunes may not remain as dominant as they have been. Finally, there remain distinct differences between Apple and Dell, which could corrupt my assumptions... Bottom line: Apple may end up as the next Gateway. Or it may be the next Dell. Personally, I think the latter is much more likely."

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Thankfully, Beyer doesn't mean Apple will be assembling ugly boxes, slapping somebody's upside-down and backwards attempt at copying the Mac OS onto them, and then using bait and switch tactics to sell them to dupes online; he means Apple's going to be selling a lot more Mac hardware now.

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Apr 07, 06 - 10:19 am Comment from: Mike

I was wondering when MDN would post this article..

Apr 07, 06 - 10:33 am Comment from: truth hurts

See. Alumninum Apple will will try to compete with affordable tin and plastic, fail and produce something they will call the "new" tin and plastic.

But, Mac OS is history, as planned.

Long live tunes world.

Apr 07, 06 - 10:33 am Comment from: splat

it's not DELL they are going to hurt..

it'll be SONY. apple products have always out styled Sony, but Sony gear has been much better than DELL or other generic box builders

Apr 07, 06 - 10:35 am Comment from: splat

also sony's prices are more expensive or in line with Apple's more

Apr 07, 06 - 10:43 am Comment from: Jooop

truth hurts, what is the iMac case made out of? That's right, PLASTIC. And yet it still looks better than Dull's piece of shit boxes.

Thanks for playing. Try again next time.

Apr 07, 06 - 10:52 am Comment from: gwm

Nobody's going to hurt anybody else. All that's going to happen is that Apple will sell a bunch more Macs. The other manufacturers aren't going to be hurt at all.

Everybody will make more money. That's all that will happen. No pain for anybody on this one. Quit looking for it. It ain't there.

Apr 07, 06 - 10:54 am Comment from: c a r l o

easy boys, theyre windows users. they have very little intelligence.

Apr 07, 06 - 10:55 am Comment from: G-ZUS

Go Apple!! wink

http://getkickedoffaplanewearingthis.blogspot.com/

Apr 07, 06 - 11:05 am Comment from: APPLE IS DONE

A BRAVE NEW WORLD...MACLOTS, WELCOME TO THE WINDOWS WORLD WITH GREAT GAMES, BETTER UI, AND OPEN PLATFORMS.

WE WELCOME U WITH OPEN ARMS

Apr 07, 06 - 11:13 am Comment from: mugwump

Microsoft was dragging its feet releasing Virtual PC for Intel Macs. Now Apple did it for them, at native speed with no issues. Big deal? Maybe.

Apr 07, 06 - 11:14 am Comment from: the REAL truth hurts

F- YOU, CLONE!!

Apple is dead. There's no doubt of it anymore.

Selling tunes is good enough for Jobs's bottom line.

Bootcamp will fail just like switcher's did, and just like the MAC Mini did.

You MAC tools need to get a life like Shatner said,, this is the beginning of your end.

Long live my VIRUS-RIDDLED PC!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM KING OF THE UBER-DORKS!!!!!!!

Apr 07, 06 - 11:22 am Comment from: Matrix3

Splat:
I think you're right it's going to hurt Sony, Toshiba, HP first.

People who buy strickly on price and businesses are still Dell's domain but it will become even more commoditized and Dell's profits will shrink.
Sales for Dell will slow slowly at first but then they will begin to slide.

It's a new world out there with the beta release of BootCamp.

Apr 07, 06 - 11:23 am Comment from: Anal ist

Meanwhile the stock is down $2.52....

Apr 07, 06 - 11:31 am Comment from: Wall Street

Yeah, after AAPL had gone up over 17% in just two days. It's simply profit taking, that's how the market works.

Apr 07, 06 - 11:35 am Comment from: Cubert

Why does everyone focus on the one AND ONLY ONE thing that is better in the Winblows world - games? Out of all my PeeCee using friends (note that I said "using", I didn't say "loving"; "tolerating" would be more accurate) not one of them is a "gamer". I'm not a gamer either (although I use a Mac, so that must be the reason, right? Keep believing that.)

While I agree that Apple needs to shore this issue up since it is their weakest link, I think that we, and the media, should focus on the other 99+% of OS X that is FAR better than Winblows will ever be.

And, "Truth Hurts" and "Apple is Done", can you pass me some of the crack that you've been smoking?

Apr 07, 06 - 11:45 am Comment from: Connor MacBook

The Mac OS ain't going anywhere, for the same reason the Mac still exists today: there are people who prefer to use Mac. Apple now has a new potential market: Windows users who may or may not switch to OS X as their primary operating system (though anyone who only intends using Windows is unlikely to choose a Mac). Either way it's more sales of Mac boxes.

The impediment to more sales is the same one Apple has always faced: the sheer ignorance of the public at large. Of course Apple doesn't do itself any favors by refusing to advertise.

Apr 07, 06 - 11:56 am Comment from: Ashami

Bottom line: Apple will sell more Macs, increasing marketshare and userbase. More people will be exposed to Mac OS X, which many of them will switch to full time. This will increase developer pressure, leading to yet more native titles for OS X. Because of the increased OS flexibility and long-term cost benefit of the Mac, we will see far more of them in businesses, public places (eg. libraries), and schools. Yet more people will be exposed to OS X, creating yet more switches, and more Mac sales.

It is the dawn of a new era for Mac and OS X.

Apr 07, 06 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Macaday

MacDude is back, did you notice?

Apr 07, 06 - 12:10 pm Comment from: spyinthesky

Seems like there are some rather threatened pc weenies interupting normal service. Fools always strike out when they see their comfortable little boring world threatened. Running scared and people just smell that fear as they contemplate having to use their brain. Nice and easy does it.

Apr 07, 06 - 12:15 pm Comment from: Macs King

I've seen the light and it's very bright!

The real bomb is coming and it will be OS-X on ANY MODERN 64 bit Intel based PC!

Boot camp is more than just a clever name (and it does not mean what you think). It's Boot Camp for Apple as they become a real PC mfr.

Apples next gen boxes will be 64-bit PC's that run ANY OS!

They won't be cheap bargain basement stuff but none of us tradional Mac users crave the cheap crap. We want decent hardware that lasts and Apple will continue to deliver that. HP and Dull will offer cheaper systems and you, the user can decide if you want that junk.

Apple manufacturing is coming out of the far east (the same places other mfr hardware comes from). The difference is the engineering that goes into the hardware, Apple designs great, high-quality products (that cost more than generic PCs).

This means Dell, HP and Gateway will be pushed down into the bargain basement with Apple PCs taking the high ground for features and quality.

Now for the best part, Apple WILL sell OS-X for use on any modern Intel based PC and they will do it before Vista ships.

Have you bought your AAPL stock yet because it is GOING TO GO UP, WAY UP!

Apr 07, 06 - 12:53 pm Comment from: macromancer

I suppose it was only a matter of time before this board was overrun by Windows trolls.

Don't you guys have some french fries to cook? Perhaps practicing your opening line for work would be a good idea. Repeat after me: "Welcome to McDonalds"
There, now you are accomplishing something.

Apr 07, 06 - 01:17 pm Comment from: Heidi

MacDudes new name: Truth Hurts

Take your best shot loser.... DIDN'T HURT!

Apr 07, 06 - 01:46 pm Comment from: inside

The press has already written of OS X. They are banging out these uneducated guesses on there Dell'd and HP's thinking that they know that when We(Mac Users) try Windows we will see the error of our ways and convert. They think that just because we can run XP on our Macs we will. They are saying to you and me "Now that we can run XP we can get rid of the BEST OS in the world and run that Popcorn fart of an OS". I could care less about MS I do not need one single piece of software that they produce. I can not see buying a Mac and polluting it with XP. Its like buying a BMW and taking a crap in the back seat. It works for a while but the smell will make you crazy. This is so NOT a big deal to me. The only thing it will do is kill off Virtual PC sales. People that know Mac will use mac and the rest of the clueless unwashed pimply faced masses that drink the Redmond Kool-Aide wont.
This is time for Apple to shine, to show everyone which OS is truly better and which is truly a pitiful copy. Wait till all the windows users That try OS X start asking "How come windows cant do that?" I'll just smile..... BIG SMILE.....Big Smile.....big smile

Apr 07, 06 - 02:30 pm Comment from: Benton

Apple store sales of boxed Microsoft OS will earn how much per unit?

Apr 07, 06 - 05:49 pm Comment from: Ramble

Apple isn't going to 'take over the PC world' or give Dell a run for it's money, we've seen it all before and Apple has failed everytime.
My PC is faster, cheaper, more customisable, has more features, plays games and the OS doesn't get in my way.
Why would I buy a Mac then?

Some of you Mac users should clean your glasses, Apple isn't some revolutionary company, they steal most of their ideas off other people and Steve Jobs is an arsehole, not some kind of God.

Apr 07, 06 - 06:30 pm Comment from: pcandmacuser

I dont care how my "BOX" looks... its about whats inside and how much i have to pay for it. Bootcamp was created to sell more Macs... funny how it Microsoft product to do so..

Apr 07, 06 - 06:51 pm Comment from: Connor MacBook

Benton: Apple said this week it has no intention of "selling or supporting" Windows.

Apr 07, 06 - 07:09 pm Comment from: macandpcuser

Intel is taking us for a ride... ALL OF US (mac and pc users) Mac users arent going to benifit at all from this niether is Apple... Intel is.. and they have us by the balls..

Apr 07, 06 - 07:12 pm Comment from: macandpcuser

If OSX is better then windows, if OSX is so great... Why did Apple decide they needed to support another OS?

Apr 07, 06 - 07:24 pm Comment from: orly?

<quote> Wait till all the windows users That try OS X start asking "How come windows cant do that?" </quote>

You're right.. Windows is indeed severly limited in it's UI design. However, where it DOES take the cake, and has for a very long time is...

Customizability. Freedom of choice.

There is software out there that emulates much of the behavior of what the mac can do. In fact, even existed BEFORE apple bought it (hello, Next OS?) And I'm not even going to start on the choice of hardware that a PC can run VS what a mac can run.

If I don't like something on windows, I can change it, which can easily be done. (i would argue, easier/faster than on a mac... but i digress.)

also, if I don't like the size of my HDD... I can upgrade it. in my laptop. by myself. without voiding the warranty. for only $150. same thing for memory.. cpu... etc... (even moreso on the desktop...)


With apple now supporting windows (which only has ironically happened AFTER the "winxp on intelMac competition? Hello... where the credit to the man who rewrote the intelMac "bios" for the 10 grand prize?) it was a smart move, as they will not lose any customers who are sick and tired of not having the support of 90% of the software developers when they are looking for applications. I can count the number of [desirable] applications for a mac on my digits... in binary. (these being OSX apps.. not Unix apps)



Will apple be the "new" dell? Unless I can get a customizable, "upgradable-any-time-I-want" computer at a low cost... then no. They won't. However, just as an observation, they will kick HP and Sony in the nads. (HP/sony selling fashion computers VS apple selling fashion computers... all competitively priced? I'd rather go with apple)

Will apple get any new customers? Perhaps. I really doubt it though. Why the f* would I want to spend $4000 - $8000 on a apple system capable of playing games, when I can build a system that will kick it's ass for $2000 flat (with a 24" display)?

<sarcasm>
Granted, I must admit though for fashion whores... yes. there will always be a market for price-gouging your customers. "Ohh! look at my pretty mac! and look at all the neat buttons i can push!"

umm.. sorry. but no. i'd like a computer... not an expensive piece of plastic that looks pretty, that has a severe limit to what it can do, or what i can do to it.
</sarcasm>

Now.. I must say, that this generality really only applies to users who play games, and/or are into CUSTOM rigs. For everyone else who just types emails, docs, and surfs the web, osX is the way to go. (then... there is linux....)


Is apple mainstream? no. will they be? I don't know... but definately moreso than they were.

-n


:: now... would i like to have a mac? sure. they are nice, stable, visually beautiful machines. if i could upgrade their hardware. put whatever os i want on them - which is happening - and they started including mice with more than one button.. all for an affordable price.. then, i would get one. until then... there is newegg.

Apr 07, 06 - 07:43 pm Comment from: Sottozero

Yes, I pretty much said the same thing yesterday in my blog.

It's ALL ABOUT THE HARDWARE for now. Period.

http://sotto0.blogspot.com

Apr 08, 06 - 02:03 am Comment from: Reality Check

Given that Apple, like any successful company, exists to make money and increase the returns for their shareholders, what motivation would Apple have to continue MacOS X development in the long term if they can sell more boxes to the public with Windows installed? Developing and maintaining an OS is not a cheap activity and so there would need to be a very good reason to continue this. And immunity to viruses is not something that drives up sales (witness the dominance of Windows). How would Apple justify the long-term development of MacOS to its shareholders?

Apr 08, 06 - 06:23 am Comment from: Ramble

"Developing and maintaining an OS is not a cheap activity"

That's why they shove the load off to the FreeBSD developers.

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