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Dec 15, 07 - 09:35 am Comment from: mossman

What a great title... a double entendre on "Microsoft" as it wilts, becoming impotent....

Maybe it needs some of that Viagra that so many spams go on about, spams sent mostly by compromised Windows zombie machines.

Dec 15, 07 - 09:46 am Comment from: BiZarRo BaLlmEr

I would like to know what the consumer market share is for OS's.
Reviews often lump business and consumer market hare numbers together.
I bet Mac is making some important inroads in the consumer realm.
Business is too political and has different influences, cheap and works are simply what is wanted in IT.
At home you want something nice to work and play on.
Enjoying my blacbook, not going to be happy if an aluminum 13" gunmetal, slim macbook is released in January, ARGGGH!

Dec 15, 07 - 09:49 am Comment from: Denny

Innovation is not in M$ DNA. It will take years to change their corporate culture.

By the time any real changes emerge, AAPL will be light years ahead. This is truly the beginning of the downfall for M$.

Dec 15, 07 - 10:02 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

The Telegraph can't be serious. Another Apple puff piece for morons who don't know any better.

The only thing they got right was to mention Windows Vista's "snazzy new graphical interface" is "lovely to look at." So true. Vista is a work of art and it belongs in a museum. I'm basking in the warm glow of Vista right now, rocking the Aero interface on a Dell and it's fantastic—from the window and dialog box transparency to the drop shadows. Beautifully rendered stuff. You'd think Crapple with their "Pro" apps background could do the same with their OS. Microsoft is at the top of their game and Apple should be scared. Suck it, MAC sheep.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Dec 15, 07 - 10:13 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ ZT

I bought you a hammer for Christmas. Where do I send it?

Yep microsoft is on a downward spiral.

Anyone remember the 'origami' device they launch such bombed bibig time? It was supposed to be the ultimate handheld device, well it sucked.

I just wish I bought Apple stock in the 1990s when Sj returned to Apple, it was selling for $24 a share.

MDN is also "sluggish and bloated".

Dec 15, 07 - 10:48 am Comment from: Realist

I still have not seen any good explanation of why the screen Steve put in the Touch is inferior to the one he put in the phone.

My conclusion is he believes it causes a potential Touch purchaser to buy a phone instead. Wouldn't that be just like him to do that? And, I'm sure that still another genius marketing ploy has succeed as they always do.

Prediction: when the new gen phone is introduced next month, we will also hear a breathless announcement about the sudden, dramatic improvement in the resolution of the Touch screen. "Wow! Look what we've done for you. The new Touch ships tomorrow! And, if he's honest will also say: "because we've had these things stored in our Chinese warehouses for months now and we need to get them to you."

Result: lots of early adopters of Touch will then own two and paid more for them than the phone would have cost but instead of being turned off by the manipulation, they will just be pleased that Cupertino had a "breakthrough" in new technology and made the Touch look as good as the phone.

What suckers we all are.

The wheels of justice turn slowly.
But for Microsoft getting its just desserts, the wheels are certainly turning.
The end of MS dominance is inexorable.

Dec 15, 07 - 10:53 am Comment from: Ampar

Die Microsoft, die.

Dec 15, 07 - 10:54 am Comment from: ron

"Innovation is not in M$ DNA"

DNA. As in 'Does Not Apply'.

Dec 15, 07 - 11:03 am Comment from: HotinPlaya

They mentioned "Joost"

as an AppleTV owner, I would love to see that offered, they have a lot of good stuff on Joost, but I want to watch on my television, not my iMac

Dec 15, 07 - 11:07 am Comment from: Big Al

If Vista shook the confidence in Microsoft's brand, what did millions of Windows XP virus infections do?

How about well over 1/3 of all Xbox 360s dying on eager gamers? Did that hurt the Microsoft brand?

How about Microsoft being a convicted monopolist? Did that take any shine off?

There are many reasons we are Apple fan-boys. The biggest one is Microsoft's incompetence.

@ Wang-A-Lang-A-Ding-Dong

You like dudes?

If Vista shook the confidence in Microsoft's brand, what did millions of Windows XP virus infections do?

Remember, Vista was supposed to fix everything, MS's golden "we finally got it right" OS. MS failed to deliver, spectacularly. That's the Magnitude 10 shake in confidence, the final straw.

MS's announcement that they're already working on Vista's successor, Vienna, is almost as bad as Vista itself. The market isn't going to wait for another pipe dream of empty promises.

Dec 15, 07 - 11:25 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

To those who watch, this has been apparent for years.

Innovation is in Apple's DNA... from their first home-built computer, to the Macintosh, to the iPhone. Apple had ups and downs, but they ALWAYS innovated.

Microsoft grew out of a combination of craftiness and ruthlessness. To WIN was their goal. Winning above ALL.

You can't win forever.

The Mac and Mac OS was ALWAYS years ahead of anything churned out by MS. When I read comments about how crappy Mac OS 9 was... compared to what? Tiger? Okay. But Windows 95 or 98 or XP? LOL! Sure, OS 9 could be a bit finnicky, but it worked well. CLEARLY these are people who didn't or NEVER used it.

There's one thing that's forgotten. Steve Jobs lost a few times... being booted out of Apple, the failure of NeXT in the marketplace... and he LEARNED from it.

Microsoft never lost. But then, after they signed that first contract with IBM they never really learned to compete and certainly not on level ground.
Crush or starve the competition? Sure.
Strong arm your "partners"? Sure.
Keep products afloat on rivers of cash? Sure. But is that competing.?

os 9... compared to win9x? realistically, that's a bit tough. os 9 from my experience was much more stable than 9x, but 9x had one thing going for it that os 9 didn't - real multitasking. it also had better developer support (firefox 2 still runs on windows 98, and even win95 with a few updates - and i realize this isn't an inherit flaw with the os itself, but it still matters at the user end that i'd be stuck with netscape 7 or ie 5), and os 9 didn't have the option of opening folders within the same window unless you were in list view. even so, os 9 looked a lot nicer and was quite a bit more stable... but that wouldn't have been enough to switch me back then. os x came around and changed everything, and i haven't looked back since. just thought i'd throw my experience with the two out there. =)

Dec 15, 07 - 12:03 pm Comment from: Cubert

I never thought small and flaccid was a good name for a company.

Dec 15, 07 - 12:09 pm Comment from: jjjj

Hey ZT,

Even Windows users hate Vista. Read about this "upgrade."

Last night I upgraded my Vista desktop machine to Windows XP

Dec 15, 07 - 12:09 pm Comment from: limey

Also from that article: "...the iTunes store has only a limited range of TV shows and films - and they're over-priced."

Huh? I thought NBC/Universal et al said they were too cheap!

Who's the greedy one, eh?

So glad to see you back!

Signed,

A fellow Mac lover.

Dec 15, 07 - 12:32 pm Comment from: Greg L

It’s not Microsoft’s “failing to get to grips with a consumer demand for flair, innovation and beautiful design,” it’s their TOTAL inability—at the highest levels—of truly appreciating class and style and being able to recognize it when it’s staring them in the face. If a technical company doesn't have strong leadership that “knows” class and demands it of everyone who helps develop their technology, then their products quickly suffer from “too many chefs in the kitchen”-syndrome.

Microsoft sucks because Bill Gates (in my opinion) is more ruthless than creative, and Steve Ballmer is nothing more than Europeans’ stereotype of your typical, semi-educated, has-no-class, ultra-aggressive, neanderthal U.S. CEO (in my opinion).

And after reading this story, the Microsoft execs are crying all the way to the bank.

Dec 15, 07 - 12:48 pm Comment from: Crabapple

Ho! Ho! Ho!

I guess that is not one remark to be welcomed at the Redmond campus this Christmas!!!

Thanks Realist. I was walking around in a blind daze before you showed up. Thanks for showing me the light.

I'll be spending the rest of my day smashing all my Apple products and creating anti-Apple websites.

I agree Vista is indeed a museum piece, set right alongside Charles Babbage's Analytical Machine which though half finished seems to have been rather more complete and polished than its slightly newer competitor. It certainly gains a better press, but then it was ahead of its time when it was built.

Dec 15, 07 - 01:38 pm Comment from: Zuno the Clown

The flower on my lapelle does not wilt.
It squirts!

Greg L, Microsoft understands, class elegance, design principals, and how to capture an audience. To think you would compare the two makes me ill. J Allard is the new Ive.
Shepherd jobs took the sheep for a ride with the touch screen. No one wants it, it's a bland copy of Win Mobile.
Just wait until the next revolution, Vienna, comes out. Then you will see greatness.

Good for you Macromancer. Once you break the spell of Apple. you will truly see the light.

PROUD TO BE BRITISH!! (for a change). I have noticed a big move at the Telegraph to becoming Apple friendly. Claudine Beaumont has been writing great stuff that has been free of MS influences and honestly talking about Macs, iPods and iPhone.

I was Christmas shopping today in the Telegraph readers favourite store: John Lewis, where their Apple Store within a Store is really excellent. They have always been loyal resellers of Apple products and no doubt Apple have treated them well.

Apple in the UK will be great again in 2008!

Dec 15, 07 - 02:00 pm Comment from: Jubei

Although the thought of Microsloth wilting sounds like a good thing, that just impossible. Sad to say that as long as the Monopoly is approved to exist, they will never run out of funds to continue their business.

I'm not up on my Chinese astrology, but I think that 2008 is the Year of the Apple.

Dec 15, 07 - 02:45 pm Comment from: ken1w

I totally agree that Apple's recent and continuing gains in market share for Mac OS X is as much due to the failure of WIndows Vista as it is to the excellence of the Mac using experience.

With no replacement for Vista expected for at least five years, every PC maker except Apple will be forced to offer it. Soon, even Windows XP will not be an option. That means good times will continue for Apple.

Dec 15, 07 - 03:44 pm Comment from: neomonkey

This is no surprise. Melissa Gates found out on her wedding night where Bill got the name for his company.

"The end of MS dominance is inexorable."

Yes, at current growth rates Apple will have overtaken Microsoft within a hundred years or so.

Dec 15, 07 - 03:46 pm Comment from: LorD1776

I only come here to see the names.

"I totally agree that Apple's recent and continuing gains in market share for Mac OS X is as much due to the failure of WIndows Vista as it is to the excellence of the Mac using experience."

Except that there are already more Vista users in the world than all Mac users combined, so your comment doesnt really make sense since Vista is already much more popular than Mac OS X.

Dec 15, 07 - 03:57 pm Comment from: LorD1776

There might be more Vista users out there (by default) but I highly doubt that it's more popular. It sure isn't to the poor saps I know who have it.

Dec 15, 07 - 03:58 pm Comment from: Thorin

The iTMS lauched on April 28, 2003. Not in 2001.

Dec 15, 07 - 04:02 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Hello Thorin !

"There might be more Vista users out there (by default) but I highly doubt that it's more popular."

Well that's just not true. Corporations are not deploying Vista widely yet, so almost every Vista machine is the result of the conscious choice of a consumer to buy one. If it were really that bad, people would be flocking to Macs instead of buying Vista machines in ever increasing quantities.

Dec 15, 07 - 04:13 pm Comment from: clunker

If a technical company doesn't have strong leadership that “knows” class and demands it of everyone who helps develop their technology, then their products quickly suffer from “too many chefs in the kitchen”-syndrome.

Which begs the question: What happens when Steve Jobs leaves?

Apple's board is waaay smart enough to NOT put a complete clown like Ballmer in charge. But is there anyone, anywhere, comparable to Jobs? And not just a mini-me either; someone with their own ideas, and the ability to spot & perfect a winner?

MS may be all fsked up, but that doesn't mean Apple should get complacent or sloppy on top.

Dec 15, 07 - 04:20 pm Comment from: clunker

If it were really that bad, people would be flocking to Macs instead of buying Vista machines in ever increasing quantities.

You are correct. Never underestimate the uninformed masses.

Dec 15, 07 - 04:47 pm Comment from: LorD1776

That's a load of crap. The majority of people don't even know what the heck an operating system IS. They just know it's a computer. They go to Wal-Mart or order a Dell and follow the expert advise of "Dell Recommends Windows Vista Ultimate" or some other bullshit propaganda. It's when they get the the thing home that they realize they've been screwed. I helped a guy I work with set up his new Dell with Vista and it was a friggin' nightmare. I warned him to get XP but he wouldn't listen. After all this he says he will go Mac next time. Another guy has it and after 5 months it will barely function. I have two PCs (one I built) with XP and use it at work so I don't have a problem, other than the fact that it's such a dysfunctional pile of code. But I sure wouldn't buy Vista. More people don't buy Macs because they are sadly influenced by clowns like you. They don't know what 'bad' is because they haven't used 'good' in order to see the difference. But it's coming. And that is what your kind fear.

"follow the expert advise of "Dell Recommends Windows Vista Ultimate" or some other bullshit propaganda. It's when they get the the thing home that they realize they've been screwed."

Ha Ha Yes, you're right. the probably thought they were buying a Mac but brought a Dell by mistake. It's an easy mistake for a novice to make since PCs and Macs are both now exactly the same hardware built in exactly the same factories and Apple's biggest recent selling point is how well Macs run Windows.


"And that is what your kind fear."

Sure, believe that if you want. What your kind fear is the truth that Vista has already overwhelmed Leopard, and Leopard will be just as ineffective at displacing Microsoft as Tiger was.

As long as they can operate as a monopoly Apple will never catch up. No one will ever catch up. Why do you think they keep trying to tie in all they junk with Windows or technologies they produced based on Windows. Video and Audio is just a matter of time. They can be patient because they can continue to lose millions withot worry. Its nice to have unlimited funding to continue money losing business in order to eventually saturate the market with their junk.

Dec 15, 07 - 05:19 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

Who's Melissa Gates?

Dec 15, 07 - 05:25 pm Comment from: LorD1776

"and Apple's biggest recent selling point is how well Macs run Windows." Yeah dimwit, but maybe you haven't noticed that Macs come with OS X installed, not Windows. That is why they are superior. And that is why Apple will prevail. Now why don't you kids go back to playing your video games or squeezing your zits and leave the adults in peace.

Dec 15, 07 - 07:19 pm Comment from: rahrens

Hey, folks, ZT was right:

"Vista is a work of art and it belongs in a museum."

But not on a computer!

Dec 15, 07 - 07:23 pm Comment from: Ampar

Hey C1! Here ya go:
http://www.daoiststudies.org/scholars.php?cmd=list&userid=822

Dec 15, 07 - 08:02 pm Comment from: Thorin

Hello LorD1776, I look at this site every day, I don't post as much because some of the postings have gotten so damn silly. The registration thing did help though. Your post was pretty right on, so I quoted it.

"That's a load of crap. The majority of people don't even know what the heck an operating system IS. They just know it's a computer. They go to Wal-Mart or order a Dell and follow the expert advise of "Dell Recommends Windows Vista Ultimate" or some other bullshit propaganda. It's when they get the the thing home that they realize they've been screwed. I helped a guy I work with set up his new Dell with Vista and it was a friggin' nightmare. I warned him to get XP but he wouldn't listen. After all this he says he will go Mac next time. Another guy has it and after 5 months it will barely function. I have two PCs (one I built) with XP and use it at work so I don't have a problem, other than the fact that it's such a dysfunctional pile of code. But I sure wouldn't buy Vista. More people don't buy Macs because they are sadly influenced by clowns like you. They don't know what 'bad' is because they haven't used 'good' in order to see the difference. But it's coming. And that is what your kind fear."

Dec 15, 07 - 08:26 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Thorin,
I was looking at some old articles today and saw this one from about a year and a half ago that you posted on. I was wondering what happened to you and then I saw you here. A happy coincidence.

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/10219/