“The first thing I’ll say about the Logitech diNovo Edge Bluetooth keyboard is that it’s very likely the most aesthetically stunning keyboard that’s ever been made for Mac computers, with its high-gloss, piano black, semi-translucent plexiglass finish accented by a brushed aluminum palm rest, all imparting an aura of posh elegance. It looks even better first-hand than it does in pictures, and it’s mighty impressive in pictures,” Charles W. Moore writes for Applelinks.
“IMHO, the diNovo Edge makes the Apple BlueTooth keyboard look like a wallflower to its belle-of-the-ball, the aluminum unit a bit stark and kind of gimmicky with its anorexic thinness by comparison. The Logitech ‘board is slim as well, but still with enough meat in its section to have just about the right amount of key travel and conventional, slightly contoured keys,” Moore writes.
“As you may have deduced by now, I’m pretty smitten with the Logitech diNovo Edge Bluetooth keyboard. The main downside is its price, listing at $159.99 for the Mac version, which is happily 20 bucks less than the Windows version, thanks presumably to not having to include a USB receiver dongle with the Mac unit. Let’s see; you could get five Kensington SlimTypes for that and have change left. However, all that high-end goodness does cost money,” Moore writes.
Read the comprehensive full review (with photos) here.
Pretty. Please don’t touch.
Would look fine in one of those sci-fi series on TV, but I prefer the ‘stark’ and ‘thin’ mac one I have. No need for all that extra wrist rest stuff if it’s thin. Also black is very 90’s.
Where’s the damn 10-Key keypad. I don’t like this dumbing down of keyboards. If they don’t want to make the 10-key part of the QWERTY, they should at least produce a standalone matching product.
I read that 7% of the normal/common population is left-handed, but that 20% of artists are left-handed. Many artists use Macs. So why are Mac things generally right-handed? I just happen to be a left-handed artist, coping for 70 odd years in a right-handed world.
Yeah, I know I’m odd. Better to be odd than common. I still type with two fingers, (sometimes on the same key).
The point for Apple’s thin keyboard is that it paves the way for the touch surface keyboard that’s on the way. And before you all pile on, yes I know that it is an entire touch device not just for keyboarding.
Black keys with white letters! Never! I cannot read the damn things. Nothing is as legible as black letters on a white background.
No numeric keypad…. Looks good. Wonder how it wears.
@ron,
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You sound like my left-handed suffering artist wife. What I want to know why there are so many hair care products when I’m bald.
It’s also HUGE! That thing looks like it takes up more than twice the desk space of my current (aluminum) bluetooth keyboard.
No thank you. Why do all keyboard manufacturers (except Apple) produce such behemoths?
Bring on the touch
But to look at that and call APPLE’S keyboard gimmicky? That is messed up!
I like Apple’s keyboards BECAUSE they are not gimmicky. They do their job without wasting space or clutter.
I guess beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, because, I don’t like it.
No backlight, no sale, especially with black keys. The original iMac keyboard taught me that lesson. It sure is pretty, though.
A turd.
next.
IMHO I hate people who say “IMHO”.
If you read the article, this guy says that he couldn’t test out the button that activates Front Row because “I don’t have it on my Mac”, but earlier in the article he talks about running Leopard.
And, he expects us to listen to his opinion?!?
Fool!
What a crap review!
The entire thing basically amounts to a long diatribe about how pretty the thing is. So what? We have to read this five times before we even get to a discussion of the key action?
Also, this person is a mac user and they think bluetooth keyboards are problematic? WTF? I have *never* had to “re-pair” my keyboard or any of my bluetooth stuff with my Macs. They work first time every time for me.
Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. To me, this keyboard is HUGE and not very attractive at all. My Apple bluetooth keyboard is full sized, yet still fits in my jacket pocket. It also doesn’t need to sit in some giant charger thingie all the time. It also has the best key action of any keyboard I have ever used (and I have used a ton). IMO, the Apple keyboard is far more attractive than this thing also.
The last straw for me was when the reviewer mentioned that he “didn’t have front row” on his computer. What? Has he never looked in the Applications folder?
I guess I’ll be content to remain ignorant about this new keyboard, ’cause this guy’s over-the-top-gushing writing style makes me want to puke…
At first glance, the keyboard does look slick but after using my new Apple keyboard for months now, I wouldn’t consider anything else.
Backlit would be nice for a desktop keyboard. How about it Apple? It’s a no-brainer.
For the “world’s most advanced Mac keyboard”, I would suggest the “Optimus Maximus” with the OLED keycaps instead.
Black? Shiny? Logitech? UGH! 3 strikes, y’er out!
Speaking of gimmicks, that stupid trackpad disc thing is idiotic and the volume slider thing. 2 one-trick ponies. Dump them and add a numeric keypad.
The Apple Bluetooth keyboard isn’t perfect, but it’s a pleasure to use.
U-gly!!!!! Whoever trades an apple keyboard & mouse for that shouldnt be allowed to own a Mac. Where is the design? It looks like it was picked up from an Enterprise crash site.
most advanced Mac keyboard? – I don’t think so: battery is non-replaceable.
Work of art? Sure. Functional? Not very.
I like how this keyboard works and I like some of its features. But I have to point out some big fat flaws it has for an ‘advanced’ keyboard.
1) NO SPLIT KEYBOARD
The low profile of the keyboard is brilliant. Apple set the trend last year. Happily this critical ergonomic requirement is getting some traction in the manufacturing world. Microsoft never got the clue with their keyboards, or mice for that matter.
BUT: This is the same old rectangular keyboard that we’ve been stuck with forever with very few exceptions. This is the other half of the current ergonomic requirements trend. Sadly you have to pay an arm and a leg for a truly ‘advanced’ keyboard to get it these days, or you have to buy a Microsoft POS with the anti-ergonomic steep keyboard angle built-in, or you have to go back to Apple’s wonderful old ADB Adjustable Keyboard. (I own two).
DIY: Put your hands on any rectangular keyboard. Your arms and hand meet the keyboard at an angle according to your body size, don’t they. Typing on a rectangle has never made sense.
The next ergonomic requirement is, believe it or not, a keyboard that slopes DOWNWARD from front to back. Not flat, not upward. Some custom keyboards with this design exist, but to be honest, they are too revolutionary to break through our cultural expectations.
2) TRACKPAD POSITION SUCKS BAD:
A) It’s strictly for right-handed people. Considering the creative niche of Macs this is a really bad idea as left-handedness tends to accompany right-brainedness which tends to accompany creative personalities.
B) For most people to actually use the trackpad your right hand has to be OFF THE WRIST REST! That’s nasty bad. That’s ergonomics thrown out the window.
3) ALUMINUM WRIST REST? OMFG.
Does anyone disagree with me that the most comfy wrist rests are gel?
So what would be the worst wrist rests? How about HARD so that your wrists get bruised. How about METAL so that it conducts the ambient room temperature to your wrist, making it hot or cold instead of good old body temperature? IOW, could this wrist rest be worse? Not unless you added spikes or some Microsoft-style hump in it.
The Applelink review covered most of the other flaws I considered important. (No numeric keypad?! Not even an fn key?! Only 12 F-keys?! Why is Bluetooth still user-hostile?!)
Back to the drawing board with you Logitech!
From article: “There is also a button to activate Apple’s Front Row, if you have it, which I don’t, so I couldn’t check that feature out.”
Why wouldn’t they have Front Row? I’m guessing they don’t even know what it is
If this were manufactured by Apple and standard issue for the iMac everyone here would be talking about how beautiful this thing is. Period
At first look – pretty.
At second glance – way too visually busy.
Parting glances – me likey more austere, sparse, minimal apple keyboard better.
Also black is very 90’s.
This would’ve been truly cutting edge… with the NeXT Cube.
Anyway, this is just a stylized collection of keys.
If you want “world’s most advanced”, you do full multi-touch.
On second thought – just give me a shiny, thin, black rectangular piece of glass surrounded by a beveled aluminum edge with Multi-Touch keys and bright illumination, and we’re in business.
$160, and no numeric keypad?
@ Spark,
Instead of producing a stand-alone 10-key, Logitech gives you a stand for your keyboard!!
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@ hmm … $160? didn’t notice that part.
That’s more than twice the price of the wireless Apple keyboard that most people prefer anyway.
Another thought … Logitech was also the company that screwed up all the Leopard installs with the crappy driver software they give out with their devices.
On second thought – just give me a shiny, thin, black rectangular piece of glass surrounded by a beveled aluminum edge with Multi-Touch keys and bright illumination, and we’re in business.
IOW, an iPod Touch stretched to keyboard size.
Hmmm, for a spit “keyboard” would two iPod Touch’s work?
Just some out-loud ideas for you Cupertino folks…
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I’d like the keyboard a lot better if it were horizontal and not vertical.
Anonymous ‘Artist’ sez: “If this were manufactured by Apple and standard issue for the iMac everyone here would be talking about how beautiful this thing is. Period”
No. That old yarn has been beaten to death many times over. Read my posts for example.
Does Apple provide an alternative these days to the rectangular keyboard? NO. Does Apple provide comfy wrist rests? NO.
But then again: Does Apple provide a low profile mouse? YES. they always have. Not once has Apple ever forced hunched over mice on users.
But then again again: Apple did, sadly perpetrate the idiotic ‘hockey puck’ mouse on users for years, including an ultra-moronic ‘improved’ version after the first was met with universal contempt.
AND: Does Apple provide a lefty AND righty friendly trackpad on their laptops? YES. They put it in the middle below the keyboard, just as they should. So what’s up with those ridiculous off-center trackpads on so many PC laptops? Stoopid much? YES.
Clearly, if Apple made this they’d have AT LEAST have made it as useful as their laptop keyboards, which sadly the Logitech is NOT. And YES, if Apple had taken away functionality as Logitech has, Apple would get rants from the likes of me.
I know perfectly well that there are those with clear and rational minds on both sides of the OS platform fence. Why the clear and rational Windows users are so sparse around here is beyond my comprehension. They’re probably as embarrassed of FUD mongering moronic Windows trolls, of whom we have plenty, as I am embarrassed with Mac ‘EVANGELIST’ rabid fanbois who indeed act like they’ve been living in Jones Town, turned Scienterrificologist, went Waco wacko, or lick the feet of ‘Reverend’ Moony Loony…. Such is diversity.
I want a mac version of the dinovo mini keyboard so I can implement my life long plan to eliminate standing up altogether.
@ Artist
Not really. When Apple screws something up we’re usually the loudest to bitch about it. I still hate the bloody glossy screen iMacs. And yes, I use them often, in fact I have a brand new one sitting in front of me that I’m setting up for my neighbor. She’s not a digital imager, she just surfs and emails, and when she saw it she went ape shit with delight, and rightly so.
But I can’t stand to look at the damn thing, and I’d never pick one to do any imaging work on. Thank goodness I got the last white model with a matte screen. Apple’s refusal to provide an option is my big astrisk on an otherwise delightfully elegant machine. Suer it won’t bother most people, but when I photographer asks me if they should buy an iMac I have to mention it. It shouldn’t be an issue, but there we are.
On the contrary… when Apple releases something new, it’s usually rabid fan sites like this that light up with small minds that can’t see what’s so good about it. Not at first anyway. I heard no end of bitching about the MBA on this very site, and it went on for weeks and weeks, long after it was evident that, yes, this was a nice machine that is selling very well and was being embraced by Mac users.
JarrettDailyNews sez:
“The point for Apple’s thin keyboard is that it paves the way for the touch surface keyboard that’s on the way.”
And Ideas sez:
“Hmmm, for a spit “keyboard” would two iPod Touch’s work?”
Put them together and what have you got? A touch screen keyboard you an lay out any which way you like. You can keep it flat, you can go retro and angle it upwards, you can go ergo and angle it down. You can install a split keyboard pattern and change the angle to what is optimum for specifically YOU.
The only problems I have with touch screen keyboards are:
1) They have no ‘action’. You’re typing on a hard surface, at least at the moment. That’s anti-ergonomic. That’s finger hostile. A keyboard screen with a comfy give to it when you touch it will eventually become the default. I predict!
2) The usual fingerprints.
3) No touch reference points, meaning that it will exclude seeing handicapped users. That is the case now as well.
BTW: Why am I now cringing when I see the word ‘surface’? Microsoft’s moronic ‘Surface’ table interface. Take someone else’s innovation and make it dopey. The same old story.
(And no, Apple didn’t invent touch and gestures first. They simply elaborated on the concepts and patented unique applications, functionality and motions to make it usable in the consumer world).
Elegant design, but enormous and gimmicky. I’ll keep my $159, thanks.
Um, not for me, thanks. Too big, too black lacquer-y looking, and too tarted-up-gadgety for me; Apple’s keyboard still hold its secure place on my shopping list.
OFF TOPIC! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
ChrissyOne sez, regarding the iMac glossy screen:
“But I can’t stand to look at the damn thing, and I’d never pick one to do any imaging work on.”
You are quite right, if you are doing color matching! The glossy screen isn’t actually a problem if you are in the right lighting environment for professional imaging work. The detail accuracy allowed by glossy screen can become an asset. The big fat problem with iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro screens (and apparently the low end Apple Cinema display) is the fact that they are only capable of showing 6 bit color depth versus the required 8 bit color depth to match the sensitivity of the human eye. (That translates to 262,0144 colors versus 16,777,216 colors). The missing colors are dithered on these screens.
As a result it is impossible to get realistic color fidelity and therefore impossible to do professional quality color management. Get an actual 24 bit monitor for that purpose, and if it has an LCD screen make sure it has the widest viewing angle you can afford. Class dismissed!
BTW: Yes, Apple have a couple pending lawsuits over their, ahem, ‘claim’ that these 6 bit screens are capable of showing ‘millions’ of colors. Very naughty Apple Marketing.
Its not for left handed people as the scroll wheel thinghy is in the bottom right corner – pass – bad design
Nah…. I’ll stick with the regular (non-bluetooth) Apple keyboard. I really like the fact that it has very little key travel, and I personally think it looks better than the Logitech.
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Typo sez:
“262,0144 colors”
Correction:
“262,144 colors”
lame! I prefer my apple wireless keyboard, small and pretty!
@ derekcurrie
I have a 23″ Cinema HD sitting next to my older matte 24″ iMac, and the difference between them is apparent, but calibrating with my Spyder gets them pretty close.
But when I bring up the same image on the glossy iMac the difference is huge, especially in highlight detail that gets lost very fast if you’re not looking directly at the glossy in a dark room, a lot like what happens on my MacBook Pro screen. The deeper blacks are okay for watching movies, but it blocks a lot of that shadow detail up until I start to see reflections where on the HD I can see a little bit of tone. Good for VIEWING images, but not so great for creating them.
@ derekcurrie
I sez it once and I sez it again.
If you’re a friggin’ PROFESSIONAL, who make his LIVING from his (natch, or hers) computer, whinging about the ENTRY LEVEL, LOW END, CONSUMER model (MacBook, iMac) and its glossy screen, you have ZERO credibility.
Sheesh!
It’d be the same thing as John Glenn complaining that his bottle rocket failed to achieve low Earth orbit.
A computer is an effin’ TOOL for a Pro, so BUY THE RIGHT TOOL for the job!
Capish?
The big fat problem with iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro screens (and apparently the low end Apple Cinema display) is the fact that they are only capable of showing 6 bit color depth… —derekcurrie
Laptop screens are completely unsuitable for critical color correction regardless of color depth. There’s no way to calibrate a laptop screen because the screen angle is always changing. Unless the laptop screen stays in a fixed position all the time (in which case, why use a laptop?), you’re viewing a different rendition of an image every time you sit down to work on it.
As for the glossy iMac screens: They suck! Unless you work in a windowless room, the glare is a real killer. Who could stand looking at that all day?
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“Message to MDN:
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Nice to see a Mac-specific keyboard from Logitech. But pretty expensive. I’m still using my “tank-like” ADB Apple Extended Keyboard II through a Griffin iMate ADB-USB adapter. I just like the feel… I can type faster with it compared to any current USB keyboard. Still works 100% fine under Leopard.
Pretty.
Except that I got both the wireless (for home on the sofa) and the wired Apple keyboard (for my office) for less (what was this about Apple’s high prices?).
Plus, I don’t have to deal with the crappy Logitech software (which I find hard to call ‘drivers’), removing of which improved Leopard’s stability tremendously. Interestingly enough, the Logi Bluetooth mouse I had it installed for runs pretty much the same without it…
Logitech makes the best mouses for Mac (and for PC) and their products are, overall, of very good quality.
@alansky
When you work professionally, your screens should never be placed with side or back views to windows. It is a health matter for the eyes… within or without glossy screens.
@almux: “Logitech makes the best mouses for Mac (and for PC) and their products are, overall, of very good quality.”
As far as hardware is concerned, I agree. But not their ‘driver’ software for the Mac.
I take it you’re a professional idiot?
Not being as gifted as most of you, I don’t possess strong feelings about a keyboard I haven’t used.
Here’s a real full extended keyboard, the Moshi Celesta, with a similar look. Nice scissor keys, very low profile, no idiotic gimmicks. It’s not Bluetooth, oh well. Apple would be proud of this.
http://www.moshimonde.com/celesta_d.htm
Beware, the info page for this keyboard is some bloated Flash scourge. I waited almost 2 fast cable connection minutes for it to load and gave up!
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Logitech software bites. As for their mice? Besides general over-designed ugliness… PFFFFFFFT. Get a trackball if you value your hands and wrists.
http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html
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ken1w… The Griffin iMate works with Leopard? HOW? It’s not supposed to! I’ve got an iMate and an old ADB Wacom tablet I’d love to hook up!
Charles Moore is a writer. He makes his living typing all day long. He actually generates income by putting words together to form real English sentences with punctuation and everything. He doesn’t hang out trolling in MDN forums with a bunch of losers. Consequently if anyone’s opinion about a keyboard counts, well you do the math.
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When you work professionally, your screens should never be placed with side or back views to windows. It is a health matter for the eyes… within or without glossy screens. —almux
So are you suggesting that graphics professionals should always work in a windowless room? What a depressing prospect!
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Sixvodkas sez:
“I sez it once and I sez it again.” Yeah yeah yeah.
Don’t worry folks. This guy always has a stick up it…
Also don’t worry: Among imaging professionals it is NOT kewl to be and arrogant dick.
Actually it’s pretty nice. I don’t have the Mac variant, I bought mine about 2 months ago. It is larger than the Apple keyboard, but much easier to work with while sitting on the couch. Which, by the way, is where I needed it. I didn’t go with the Apple one because they don’t include a trackpad. If they did..
The keyboard is better looking and more sleek than the pics make it out to be. If you haven’t seen/tried it, your opinions are as valid as Windoze users are about the Mac.
The round trackpad is just above G-d awful. It works well enough for what I need, but I do wonder what moron decided round was a good idea. It does drag-scroll by tapping on the top (12 o’clock) or right (3 o’clock) and then dragging your finger clockwise or counter clockwise, tho it tends to lose track of the fact that it’s scrolling after a circle or two.
The volume control is nice and handy to have, for a PC, but for a Mac which has easy access to the volume control on the menu bar, it’s unnecessary.
The buttons, keys, weight, balance and size are all very nice as the keyboard stays put while you use it, unlike the much smaller Apple keyboard which is too small and light so that any touch on it cause it to move all over the place. Add a keypad to the Apple one and it would be much better!
Not for everyone. But, if you have a MacMini or other system that you have on your large LCD TV,
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Flame if you feel you must, but know that I’ve probably been an Apple user longer than almost any of you. Apple II in 1977, MacOS in 1983 (running on a Lisa).
I am a lefty, and I think that the Logitech diNovo Edge Bluetooth Keyboard is perhaps even more friendly for lefties than for “normal” people. Think about it… If one wants to type and change the volume at the same time, one would use his/her left hand for the more difficult task of typing while using his/her right hand for the less demanding task of changing the volume.
Regarding the lack of a numpad, it’s worth noting that Apple’s own wireless keyboard also lacks a numpad. Nevertheless, two wrongs don’t make a right. A keyboard without a numpad is useless to a lot of people. So what is the advantage of foregoing a numpad in any keyboard — especially a keyboard that’s as expensive as keyboards like diNovo Edge and Apple Wireless?
Don’t like it. too big, no numeric keypad.
Eh, whatever….
call me when the Mattias Tactile Pro 3 is released.
Tacticle pro, now that’s a keyboard.
Heh..tactile pro. Tacticle pro is for launching myssles.
For my money, the worlds ultimate keyboard at this time would be a Maltron-Dvorak switchable keyboard of which Maltron is now (I think I saw) producing. But in practical terms the world’s best keyboard layout is the Dvorak. The reason for this is that a Maltron is a physical form as well as a layout. Dvorak on the other hand is built on the Qwerty physical platform. And it is already pre-built into every computer in the world. At least it is built into all Linux, Macs and PC’s.
Be sure to click on the links below for a treatise on the Dvorak layout. The reason I recommend the Dvorak keyboard is that for the cost of a letter or at the stroke of a pen whoever is the president of the United States can save the country triliions of dollars each and every year. Here are the facts as they stood in 1975. I saw this in a book called Future Facts. (if I recall right). Between the time the Dvorak was invented and 1975 the country lost over one trillion dollars in productivity. That was way before the advent of the PC and the Internet was a mere thought in it’s Father’s head. Now computers are ubiquitous, but the keyboard has persisted. In my opinion and certainly my personal experience this is due to the tenured system of education. I don’t have to even have to look at the facts but I’m willing to bet that the most tenured teachers in this country are typing teachers. I made that call out of the air. Challenge me if you will. And correct me if I am wrong.
Sooner or Later the world will wake up and no one will be using the Qwerty keyboard that has cost the world so much in terms of time, money and health. And as each passing day goes on the transition will become more and more costly. But it will happen. Were it to happen today the best keyboard to take on the job would be the Dvorak keyboard as it increases productivity greatly, uses the same basic physical keyboard layout. and the change can be made by simply applying labels on top of most keyboards and using a software package to switch the keystrokes of the individual keys.
I am beginning a campaign wherein I may even eventually have to run for congress just to be able to enter the legislation that makes the keyboard the only American Standard. But we now have a new president and this is my request of him. President Obama I am pleading with you to attend to this situation. You said yourself that we can all play our part. I held a platform meeting for your campaign but they would not let me add that suggestion to our recommendations. Please Mr. President take bold action.
The cost not to do so is phenomenal. Everyone who types on a Qwerty, whether or not they touch type does between 16 and 20 times MORE HARD PHYSICAL LABOR than those who type on a Dvorak. The cost is absolutely nothing. Zero, zip, nada. That is assuming that we do not require people to relabel their computers and the fact of the matter is that if people switch to Dvorak without being able to refer to the keys they actually learn at a much more accerated rate than even I did. And I never really studied the Qwerty although as I often was forced to use one I did learn some of the basics.
As America goes so will the rest of the world.
The facts about how much time energy and effort the Dvorak saves are so astounding that when first heard about it in Junior High School I refused to learn the Qwerty keyboard and instead took a voluntary F for typing. Since then I have learned the Dvorak and although I have never had formal lessons I type very well.
The facts are so astounding that the majority of the people who do end up reading my book: Ronald Reagan: Anti-Christ, tell me that if nothing else they are going to switch from Qwerty to Dvorak. And that brings me to my Biblical point. Jesus said: “And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” It was Ronald Reagan that cancelled the Truth in Advertising Law. He did it secretly. So secretly that some people don’t even know that it is no longer the law of the land. They still assume that because someone says it in an ad it has to be true. Not so.
The DiNovo and every other basic Qwerty keyboard stinks in terms of physical design especially when you stop and think about all of the real keyboards that are out there. Here are a few” that may be worth considering, especially if you type in Dvorak.
Assuming that there are 50,000 typing teacher all making 100,000 dollars a year. That equals 5,000,000,000 or Five billion dollars a year. If we absolutely minimize my estimates to a saving of only 50,000,000,000 or 50 billion dollars a year we could let these DINOSAURS retire at full pay for the rest of their lives and still save the country 45,000,000,000 45 billion dollars each and every year.
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Made me laugh.
“As America goes so will the rest of the world.”
Yeah, and John C. Dvorak invented the Dvorak keyboard. Where would we be like without him. Thank you John.
BWAHAHAHAHA!