“The Verizon iPhone rumor is as old as the iPhone itself. So whenever anyone trots it out, you take it with a grain of salt. It’s like The Beatles coming to iTunes. It will happen eventually, but who knows when,” MG Siegler reports for TechCrunch. “That said, today’s Wall Street Journal report about Verizon readying to launch the iPhone in early 2011 has all the makings of a good old Apple-controlled leak once again. And so it may be time to really believe.”
Siegler reports, “Now, I of course don’t know for sure that Apple fed WSJ this story — but let’s look at the recent history…”
MacDailyNews Note: Siegler then recounts a litany of Apple reports, each of whose timing worked in Apple’s favor and turned out to be true.
Siegler reports, “Each was authored or co-authored by WSJ reporter Yukari Iwatani Kane. And guess who co-authored today’s Verizon iPhone story as well? Yep.”
“This is actually the second Verizon iPhone rumor Kane has reported in recent months. But the first one, in March, was careful not to specifically say that Verizon would be getting the iPhone — just that Apple was working on a CDMA version of the device,” Siegler reports. “All indications are that this is true, and has been true for some time — we’ve heard the same thing. But that story may have just been to whet people’s appetite with the hint of Verizon. Today’s is the meat.”
Siegler reports, “And interestingly enough, the original version of today’s story said the exact same thing: just that a CDMA version of the iPhone was coming. It was later changed to specifically name Verizon as the provider it would appear on. Some people weren’t getting the message clearly enough, it seems.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: We said as much earlier this morning here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Jax44” for the heads up.]
CDMA iPhones on any carrier network that it works…
CDMA iPhones on any carrier network that it works…
I still do not believe it. I think at the last minute Verizon will rear its controlling ugly demands and botch the alliance.
I still do not believe it. I think at the last minute Verizon will rear its controlling ugly demands and botch the alliance.
There’s also a lot of talk about the upcoming launch of Verizon’s G4 network. It’s possible that these things could go hand in hand.
There’s also a lot of talk about the upcoming launch of Verizon’s G4 network. It’s possible that these things could go hand in hand.
Early this year, MDN Promised the Verizon iPhone would be here this year. What happened with that? Clearly MDN never seems to know what they are talking about anyway so take their comments as just propaganda fueled to only benefit Apple.
Early this year, MDN Promised the Verizon iPhone would be here this year. What happened with that? Clearly MDN never seems to know what they are talking about anyway so take their comments as just propaganda fueled to only benefit Apple.
Ever since AT&T raised their penalty charge for early contract cancellation to punitive levels, I think most realized that the iPhone would be on another carrier at some point. Which carrier, at exactly when has always been the question. This report seems more credible than most.
Ever since AT&T raised their penalty charge for early contract cancellation to punitive levels, I think most realized that the iPhone would be on another carrier at some point. Which carrier, at exactly when has always been the question. This report seems more credible than most.
Is their an option for voice and data at the same time?
Or is it still talk or surf choice only?
If the latter, no thanks.
Is their an option for voice and data at the same time?
Or is it still talk or surf choice only?
If the latter, no thanks.
I think the Verizon CDMA iPhone will also have 4G capability. It only makes sense that if there was a 4G Verizon iPhone, it would need CDMA capabilities to fill in the gaps for the first few years. If Verizon was beefing up their network for the iPhone, they would be beefing it up with new, 4G technology.
Let’s face it, a 4G AT&T iPhone would need 3G capabilities as well, wouldn’t it?
I think the Verizon CDMA iPhone will also have 4G capability. It only makes sense that if there was a 4G Verizon iPhone, it would need CDMA capabilities to fill in the gaps for the first few years. If Verizon was beefing up their network for the iPhone, they would be beefing it up with new, 4G technology.
Let’s face it, a 4G AT&T iPhone would need 3G capabilities as well, wouldn’t it?
@Bil Als MBP
I think it would since Sprint has rolled out 4G though very minimal I think they have one phone with it. iPhone kinda does the same thing now with having either edge or 3G
@Bil Als MBP
I think it would since Sprint has rolled out 4G though very minimal I think they have one phone with it. iPhone kinda does the same thing now with having either edge or 3G
The heck with Verizon, how about Sprint?
The heck with Verizon, how about Sprint?
These phones are for China not the US. Apple will wait for LTE.
These phones are for China not the US. Apple will wait for LTE.
Well, the noise is clearly getting louder, but I must say, I don’t know. My thinking is, I would LOVE to see a Verizon iPhone; not because there is something wrong with AT&T (for me, there isn’t), but because that would clearly mean that Verizon has capitulated under Apple’s terms. To me, Verizon is much like Universal (the movie studio / record label), and it must have great to be Apple last year when Universal crawled back to iTunes store. In that same way, it would be thoroughly gratifying if Verizon agreed to carry a phone without so much of a ‘V’ anywhere on it (I’m talking about Verizon branding, customisation, crippling and nickle-and-diming of customers).
The arrival of iPhone on Verizon won’t really change much in terms of Apple’s total numbers, unless Apple is able to dramatically ramp up their production. They are struggling to meet the demand on the current single US carrier (as well as on all other carriers in the world), so before they even go with Verizon in the US, they need to significantly increase their production. Otherwise, Verizon won’t make any difference. If a consumer walks into a store, asks for an iPhone, and the store doesn’t have one in stock, it still won’t matter if it was a T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon or AT&T store; they’ll still likely sell him an Android instead.
Well, the noise is clearly getting louder, but I must say, I don’t know. My thinking is, I would LOVE to see a Verizon iPhone; not because there is something wrong with AT&T (for me, there isn’t), but because that would clearly mean that Verizon has capitulated under Apple’s terms. To me, Verizon is much like Universal (the movie studio / record label), and it must have great to be Apple last year when Universal crawled back to iTunes store. In that same way, it would be thoroughly gratifying if Verizon agreed to carry a phone without so much of a ‘V’ anywhere on it (I’m talking about Verizon branding, customisation, crippling and nickle-and-diming of customers).
The arrival of iPhone on Verizon won’t really change much in terms of Apple’s total numbers, unless Apple is able to dramatically ramp up their production. They are struggling to meet the demand on the current single US carrier (as well as on all other carriers in the world), so before they even go with Verizon in the US, they need to significantly increase their production. Otherwise, Verizon won’t make any difference. If a consumer walks into a store, asks for an iPhone, and the store doesn’t have one in stock, it still won’t matter if it was a T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon or AT&T store; they’ll still likely sell him an Android instead.
@RP3 my personal favorite quote from MDN was when they were bashing Microsoft for “researching” touch based screens for their Windows 7 operating system. They Bashed Microsoft saying they didnt want to see smudges and finger prints on their screens cause Apple was better than allowing that to happen. Now the rumors are pointing to Apple doing the same thing, and wheres MDN’s comments now?? They are praising Apple for these rumors LOL. Talk about being a hypocrite. I like MDN and APPLE a lot since I own basically everyone of their products, but I also know when to shut up and watch what happens. MDN was iCal’d on their comments regarding this =) watch what happens when Apple anounces that you can operate your mac with touch gestures.
@RP3 my personal favorite quote from MDN was when they were bashing Microsoft for “researching” touch based screens for their Windows 7 operating system. They Bashed Microsoft saying they didnt want to see smudges and finger prints on their screens cause Apple was better than allowing that to happen. Now the rumors are pointing to Apple doing the same thing, and wheres MDN’s comments now?? They are praising Apple for these rumors LOL. Talk about being a hypocrite. I like MDN and APPLE a lot since I own basically everyone of their products, but I also know when to shut up and watch what happens. MDN was iCal’d on their comments regarding this =) watch what happens when Apple anounces that you can operate your mac with touch gestures.
“And the DroidTrolls roll merrily along!”
“And the DroidTrolls roll merrily along!”
It IS real, and it will be a very big deal for the market. All iPhone users will benefit from iPhone solidifying it’s place in the lead because developers will continue to focus on it. Of course, APPL share owners will also benefit. Those who didn’t wait and are under contract with an Android phone will lose out–sorry!
Go Apple!!
It IS real, and it will be a very big deal for the market. All iPhone users will benefit from iPhone solidifying it’s place in the lead because developers will continue to focus on it. Of course, APPL share owners will also benefit. Those who didn’t wait and are under contract with an Android phone will lose out–sorry!
Go Apple!!
@MDN is full of it
The difference is that there are Windows 7 versions of a touch screen and the Mac touchscreen are still a rumor. I’m sure they’ll have something to say if Apple goes through with it. Maybe that’ll unbunch your panties.
@MDN is full of it
The difference is that there are Windows 7 versions of a touch screen and the Mac touchscreen are still a rumor. I’m sure they’ll have something to say if Apple goes through with it. Maybe that’ll unbunch your panties.
If it’s not LTE, have fun juggling voice and data . . .
If it’s not LTE, have fun juggling voice and data . . .
I really don’t believe it.
I really don’t believe it.
Maybe my history is off, but I thought that AT&T “raised their penalty charge for early contract cancellation to punitive levels” a few weeks after Verizon did. And that was some time ago. Verizon still doesn’t have an iPhone.
Maybe my history is off, but I thought that AT&T “raised their penalty charge for early contract cancellation to punitive levels” a few weeks after Verizon did. And that was some time ago. Verizon still doesn’t have an iPhone.
Not to mention that MDN NEVER complained about smudges on screens (that was the domain of forum whiners). MDN’s comment on touchscreen desktop computing was consistently related to the ‘gorilla arm’ syndrome (and they spared no shots bashing HP for their touchscreen desktop offering of last year).
I have no doubt that future Macs will all be touch-screen, running iOS, and that Mac OS X will be retired fairly soon. I am also certain that Apple’s solution for desktop multi-touch will NOT cause ‘gorilla arm’ syndrome, as it will likely be positioned more naturally and ergonomically. You know, more along the lines of iPad or iPhone (you don’t hold it upright, in front of your face, when you use either, do you…?).
Not to mention that MDN NEVER complained about smudges on screens (that was the domain of forum whiners). MDN’s comment on touchscreen desktop computing was consistently related to the ‘gorilla arm’ syndrome (and they spared no shots bashing HP for their touchscreen desktop offering of last year).
I have no doubt that future Macs will all be touch-screen, running iOS, and that Mac OS X will be retired fairly soon. I am also certain that Apple’s solution for desktop multi-touch will NOT cause ‘gorilla arm’ syndrome, as it will likely be positioned more naturally and ergonomically. You know, more along the lines of iPad or iPhone (you don’t hold it upright, in front of your face, when you use either, do you…?).
Verizon is going to have 110 million points of presence on their LTE network implementation by the end of the year. Any Verizon iPhone is going to have to be LTE-compatable out of the box, or have a clear upgrade path. Apple doesn’t do dead infrastructure.
A Verizon iPhone will make ATT step up their infrastructure efforts in the wake of the customers that will come streaming off that ship, especially in the NY and SF markets (myself included). It may even *help* their network to shed a few customers. It will also step up what game Android has, now that Apple will be in direct competition for their customers on Verizon’s network.
Verizon is going to have 110 million points of presence on their LTE network implementation by the end of the year. Any Verizon iPhone is going to have to be LTE-compatable out of the box, or have a clear upgrade path. Apple doesn’t do dead infrastructure.
A Verizon iPhone will make ATT step up their infrastructure efforts in the wake of the customers that will come streaming off that ship, especially in the NY and SF markets (myself included). It may even *help* their network to shed a few customers. It will also step up what game Android has, now that Apple will be in direct competition for their customers on Verizon’s network.
“Or is it still talk or surf choice only?
If the latter, no thanks.”
That’s precisely the attitude to have, dude.
No, it probably won’t have simultaneous voice and data. And if it does, it will only be over 4G which will have extremely limited coverage for years to come (the chip would be both 4G LTE and 3G EVDO and most of us would spend our time pretty much using the 3G network).
But you know what? Apple isn’t forcing you to buy a Verizon iPhone without simultaneous voice and data. You can gladly keep your ATT iPhone, or perhaps buy a T-Mobile iPhone, if we’re lucky enough, which should also have that prized capability.
So all will be well with the world. You’ll have choices to make, something I know we as Apple customers aren’t very familiar with.
“Or is it still talk or surf choice only?
If the latter, no thanks.”
That’s precisely the attitude to have, dude.
No, it probably won’t have simultaneous voice and data. And if it does, it will only be over 4G which will have extremely limited coverage for years to come (the chip would be both 4G LTE and 3G EVDO and most of us would spend our time pretty much using the 3G network).
But you know what? Apple isn’t forcing you to buy a Verizon iPhone without simultaneous voice and data. You can gladly keep your ATT iPhone, or perhaps buy a T-Mobile iPhone, if we’re lucky enough, which should also have that prized capability.
So all will be well with the world. You’ll have choices to make, something I know we as Apple customers aren’t very familiar with.
Apparently, surf & talk will be possible, thanks to voice over EVDO Rev. A (VoRA), which Verizon has been implementing over past months. As for the chipset, it has been reported that the Verizon iPhone is expected to have only CDMA/EVDO chip (no LTE, or HSPA+).
This embrace of an old technology isn’t new for Apple. Original iPhone had no support for 3G data, even though the technology has been there for several years already. It wasn’t until the next iPhone, a year later (3G) that they implemented it.
Apparently, surf & talk will be possible, thanks to voice over EVDO Rev. A (VoRA), which Verizon has been implementing over past months. As for the chipset, it has been reported that the Verizon iPhone is expected to have only CDMA/EVDO chip (no LTE, or HSPA+).
This embrace of an old technology isn’t new for Apple. Original iPhone had no support for 3G data, even though the technology has been there for several years already. It wasn’t until the next iPhone, a year later (3G) that they implemented it.
If Verizon iPhone is in fact true, let us hope, for the sake of all consumers out there, that Verizon completely capitulated to Apple’s terms, especially on the issues of V-cast, selling music/apps/movies/ringtones and general nickle-and-diming and hardware-crippling, where the carrier has been undisputed champion of the world for years.
If Verizon iPhone is in fact true, let us hope, for the sake of all consumers out there, that Verizon completely capitulated to Apple’s terms, especially on the issues of V-cast, selling music/apps/movies/ringtones and general nickle-and-diming and hardware-crippling, where the carrier has been undisputed champion of the world for years.
@Predrag,
I’ve seen those murmurs about voice over RevA. It’s quite strange as I wasn’t aware of the capability and I only hear it talked about in relation to the iPhone. It seems like too easy a fix to me.
I’ve resigned myself to no simultaneous voice and data, something which nearly 150 million Verizon and Sprint customers have gone without and managed to live just fine. It really doesn’t matter to me so long as Verizon offers the choice to buy an iPhone that does it, which we’ll at least have in the ATT model. It’s alright if iPhones of different networks have distinguishing characteristics that set them apart.
As for the VCAST crap, I’d be okay with some sort of VCAST portal to the App Store installed on the phone so long as it was limited to one app that I could delete or dump in a folder with the rest of the standard Apple apps that I never use.
@Predrag,
I’ve seen those murmurs about voice over RevA. It’s quite strange as I wasn’t aware of the capability and I only hear it talked about in relation to the iPhone. It seems like too easy a fix to me.
I’ve resigned myself to no simultaneous voice and data, something which nearly 150 million Verizon and Sprint customers have gone without and managed to live just fine. It really doesn’t matter to me so long as Verizon offers the choice to buy an iPhone that does it, which we’ll at least have in the ATT model. It’s alright if iPhones of different networks have distinguishing characteristics that set them apart.
As for the VCAST crap, I’d be okay with some sort of VCAST portal to the App Store installed on the phone so long as it was limited to one app that I could delete or dump in a folder with the rest of the standard Apple apps that I never use.
Sprint has been using VoRA on some of their devices, albeit NOT for talk & surf; instead, they use it for their ‘Push to Talk’ feature (inherited from Nextel), replacing the old iDEN.
I believe for Apple, it is NOT alright to have different feature sets, depending on the carrier. Apple’s strategic goal has been, from the beginning, to transform carriers into dumb pipes. While they already have this problem (visual voice mail doesn’t work on some carriers), I’m sure they’d very much like to limit the differentiating features to the bare minimum. Surf & Talk ability is an important one, which they heavily advertised at one point last year.
Sprint has been using VoRA on some of their devices, albeit NOT for talk & surf; instead, they use it for their ‘Push to Talk’ feature (inherited from Nextel), replacing the old iDEN.
I believe for Apple, it is NOT alright to have different feature sets, depending on the carrier. Apple’s strategic goal has been, from the beginning, to transform carriers into dumb pipes. While they already have this problem (visual voice mail doesn’t work on some carriers), I’m sure they’d very much like to limit the differentiating features to the bare minimum. Surf & Talk ability is an important one, which they heavily advertised at one point last year.
Don’t care about the Beatles either.
Don’t care about the Beatles either.
I have no clue why there’s so much fuss over talking and surfing simultaneously. I don’t think I’ve done it twice in 3 years. I laughed when I saw a commercial based on it. Reminded me of the 4 Microsoft commercials for Windows 7 that featured drag-to-resize documents like it was something revolutionary.
/is old and obviously doing it wrong
I have no clue why there’s so much fuss over talking and surfing simultaneously. I don’t think I’ve done it twice in 3 years. I laughed when I saw a commercial based on it. Reminded me of the 4 Microsoft commercials for Windows 7 that featured drag-to-resize documents like it was something revolutionary.
/is old and obviously doing it wrong
Wake me up when it’s imminent.
Wake me up when it’s imminent.
@TheMacAdvocate
Just because *you* don’t use it much doesn’t mean others don’t.
Doesn’t even have to be web browsing, it could be someone sends you an email attachment to review while you’re on the line with them. “Let me call you back after I download the email” sounds rather unimpressive to the other side, and they might think it’s a limitation of your phone and not the network.
@TheMacAdvocate
Just because *you* don’t use it much doesn’t mean others don’t.
Doesn’t even have to be web browsing, it could be someone sends you an email attachment to review while you’re on the line with them. “Let me call you back after I download the email” sounds rather unimpressive to the other side, and they might think it’s a limitation of your phone and not the network.
Here’s a novel idea…….how about MacDaily report on something that is a fact and not a rumor. That’s the problem with today’s media they report on rumors and not facts. This story has been around for a longtime and nothing has ever come of it. Let it go and when a actual iPhone for Verizon comes out and you’re holding in your hand….then report on it. I am so sick of people with their unproven statements and inside info that can’t be verified. News is about facts and truth…..not rumors and speculations.
Here’s a novel idea…….how about MacDaily report on something that is a fact and not a rumor. That’s the problem with today’s media they report on rumors and not facts. This story has been around for a longtime and nothing has ever come of it. Let it go and when a actual iPhone for Verizon comes out and you’re holding in your hand….then report on it. I am so sick of people with their unproven statements and inside info that can’t be verified. News is about facts and truth…..not rumors and speculations.
this is all just plain silly.
this is all just plain silly.
Producerjames:
You must be from another planet. Most important news on Earth tend to be things that haven’t officially be announced.
When Apple and/or Verizon decide to announce whatever they have to announce, the whole world will hear that. By then, it will be too late to react; Apple and Verizon stock will have already reacted long ago to that news. Analysts provide information about what MIGHT happen, so that those who make investment decisions related to these companies can make their decisions in time.
There is absolutely nothing wrong about discussing rumours regarding what products and services Apple might or might not offer in the future. That much is obvious from the lively debate on these pages.
Producerjames:
You must be from another planet. Most important news on Earth tend to be things that haven’t officially be announced.
When Apple and/or Verizon decide to announce whatever they have to announce, the whole world will hear that. By then, it will be too late to react; Apple and Verizon stock will have already reacted long ago to that news. Analysts provide information about what MIGHT happen, so that those who make investment decisions related to these companies can make their decisions in time.
There is absolutely nothing wrong about discussing rumours regarding what products and services Apple might or might not offer in the future. That much is obvious from the lively debate on these pages.
I’ve used a Palm Treo 755p for years and love Verizon and never felt the need to talk and surf simultaneously ever. If that limitation comes with getting to be on a better network with greater coverage and fewer dropped calls with Verizon, I’m a buyer!
I’ve used a Palm Treo 755p for years and love Verizon and never felt the need to talk and surf simultaneously ever. If that limitation comes with getting to be on a better network with greater coverage and fewer dropped calls with Verizon, I’m a buyer!
Are you guys serious??? There is no “MDN”. This site is a blog run by one little boy, Steve Jack, from his bedroom.
God are you people gullible.
Are you guys serious??? There is no “MDN”. This site is a blog run by one little boy, Steve Jack, from his bedroom.
God are you people gullible.
See, like I said…
See, like I said…
When the Beatles comes to iTunes I will jump out a window because they are totally overrated. Besides any one who wanted their music already got it via Bittorrent because it was not available in an online store.
When the Beatles comes to iTunes I will jump out a window because they are totally overrated. Besides any one who wanted their music already got it via Bittorrent because it was not available in an online store.