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So Spotlight has nothing to do with Be Inc's old development team now working at Apple then?

What a load of old toss.

Longhorn is so lame. Besides, who can find anything behind all those pop ups and spam, even with the best of search tools!!

"[A]ppear to be nimbler"? Isn't that the definition of nimbler? To be able to perform a task with speed and agility? That's what Apple does, as opposed to M$, slow, lumbering, and clumsy.

Thurrott needs to:
a.) get a dictionary
b.) change his medication


[My first first post!]

the guy is a tool

Yeah, Steve stole the idea of Airport cards, high speed Firewire, extremely custom sizable application icons, exposé, fitting a 64 bit computer into the back of a monitor and building in real security to an Operating System from Bill.

Not to mention the fact that the search function in the current version of OSXs' Finder is already pretty efficient, much more than Windows Explorer Search. Finder could use a doggy mascot though. (Kidding)

OK, my first fourth post.....

i read the story before it was posted on MDN, and i must say that some of the intelligent comments by readers there really impressed me. Almost 90% pro Apple comments.

Thurrot is such a toss, he is only baiting us. When in 5 years, the future has changed and MicroSchrott is no more... people like him...

well lets just say, that if he were on fire and lying in the gutter, I wouldn't piss on him...

Silly article. The one interesting thing I will say about the Longhorn offering is that it was supposed to use SQL Server as the basis for file management. Now *that* is a cool idea. SQL Server is a pretty solid offering from MS, and SQL queries have always been lightning fast, so I was excited to see OS infrastructures move towards database underpinnings.

Of course, MS has abandoned this for Longhorn, and even if they implemented it, it probably would have sucked in M$ fashion. And, yeah, it's pretty easy to see how Spotlight was inspired by the search tool in iTunes.

If we look at MS-Apple history as a guide, Bill Gates's speech on the search engine was probably based on the proprietary information MS received from Apple under non-disclosure agreement (like they did with QuickTime).

Who really knows what "features" will be included in ShortHorn ?? ...
Everytime you turn around, we keep hearing about the Evil Empire having to remove this and that, just to keep it on schedule !!

All we really know is, it will probably end up being just more over-bloated insecure code written over DOS...

I may be a little out of the loop, but I saw His Steveness do his keynote featuring "Spotlight" way before I heard about Google's desktop search.. and later Billy Gates half assed attempt at the same thing...

Who knows if Longhorn ( if it ever comes to fruition ) will have have this search feature when it is released. You can't copy something that doesn't exist.

This guy is just whoreing for hits on his webstite. He will make up any dribble just to encite mac users to generate hits. Don't fall for it. The best thing to do is ignore him and his insignificant rants.

If Apple is "ripping off" any pre-existing OS' search functionality, it is the BEOS', not the fictional Longhorn's.

If you follow this link:

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/07/2225239&tid=179&tid=3

You can read all about how Dominic Giampaolo (who worked on BEOS) is the brain behind Spotlight, and how spotlight works (hint: there may be more than one reason Tiger includes ramped-up SQLite support).

Of course, I would think a "good technology-reporter" could do some basic research on a topic he was going to report on. But it looks like Thurott is just shooting from the hip here. I'm not sure if that means I have a misconception of a what a "good technology-reporter" is, or if it means Paul is not a good technology reporter. I leave it to the fair and unbiased MacDailyNews readers to decide.

Even I, the great B. Gates, thank you, thank you for the ovation. think that P. Turdrott is a waste of skin. I sold the world MicroSuck (suckers), he couldn't sell his wife a 2 inch broken electric dildo. Like his name, Turdrott, he should be flushed.

How can Apple being copying something (Longhorn) that doesn't truly exist? Tiger with Spotlight will be release a good 2 years before Longhorn ever sees the light of day. And if Turdrott is referring to that Alpha (not even Beta yet) OS that M$ is currently working on, then he is as delusional as ever.

"Good" Technology Reporters are a rare find. Most of the Tech reporters are about as qualified as my auto mechanic is to teach Chemistry at the local University. In my experience, most reporters these days do very little research- a far cry from the old days.

Oh really now Paul? And since when was Longhorn actually released anyway?!? And where are the PCs for sale that come pre-loaded with Longhorn? I guess I must have just totally missed all of that somehow...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Do not share needles with this guy!

"copping Windows features"
Nice spell check Turd.

My advise to Paul: Please go see a GOOD doctor and fast !!!

Did Thurott actually consider that much of this searching technology has been mulling around the computer science field for a looooong time? Did he even consider that perhaps Gates threw out the Lonhorn search feature to pre-emp what Apple will have in production in the near future to steal some thunder?

This is another fine example of looking down the wrong end of the telescope. Even if there is a crumb of truth in the ludicrous idea that Jobs and co. have to wait for Gate's public announcement before they thought of Spotlight, the tone of the article is backwards. Instead it should be asking: Why can't the "the world's leading software company", with all it's resources, produce software that works in a more timely manner? They are shown up as incompetent at every turn by a small company in Cupertino whose main business is hardware manufacture and portable music players.

P.T.'s Law:

When you shove food up your a$$, you $hit out of your mouth.

I think Paul might need an enema.

"well lets just say, that if he were on fire and lying in the gutter, I wouldn't piss on him..."

I wouldn't mind pissing on him.

Thurrott's a douchebag.

The so-called ideas Gates discussed are completely unoriginal; they've been considered for many years. It had always been a matter of resources -- limits in RAM, CPU cycles and hard disk space had always made desktop search like that coming in Tiger for sure and MAYBE for Longhorn impractical.

Searching metadata is a thoroughly obvious idea and wanting results that are immediate is an obvious demand. It's the technique by which these goals are achieved that will reveal the genius of Apple and the incompetence of MicroShaft.

Positively Orwellian.

The article is probably just flamebait, but I find that playing it straight is a good tool for disarming the flame throwers as it were.

The article shows a real naivite with regard to ideas. First off, no one owns an idea. Ideas themselves are pretty close to worthless unless you can implement them; they're a dime a dozen as they say. Implementation is the trick, the thing of real value. The article seems to ignore this most important topic about the MS deasktop search tool versus the Apple Spotlight tool. Ideas tend to pop up from multiple sources at the same time because the problem is identified at around the same time. For example, which method of recording light onto a surface won out and became modern photography? Why were there two attempted patents for the telephone? How many kinds of projection tube imaging systems are there? Who did we see implementation from first in these and other cases, and did it matter in the end? Remember, you can't own, trademark or patent an idea. you can, however own, trademark and patent an application of one.

Now, this article basically claims that Microsoft has won something because they released their product first. Nevermind that it's a beta. Nevermind that Google's desktop search came out of the gate before. Ask your self some more questions about the assumptions the author made. When did Apple hire Dominic Giampolo who has been working on this project for well over 2 years at Apple? Giampolo is from the former BeOS team, and how does the BeOS metadata system and Tracker figure into this discussion? Back to Apple, when did Sherlock and its content indexing feature come out? How long has there been iTunes searching/filtering, an early implementation of Spotlight's UI? When did we first see a demonstration of Spotlight? Consider this time that this Microsoft tool is beta software. Now consider that Spotlight has been in beta form for some time itself. The difference is that Apple's tools are in a private beta phase, and Microsoft released a public beta. They're both betas, and are therefore incomplete. When will these tools come out as final versions? Which one will work better, that is, have a better implementation? Which one will be used more by its user base, find more applications?

Anyway, the assumptions give the article more holes than Swiss cheese, and all of it amounts to naught because the idea is not exclusive to anyone, no such tool is beyond testing stages right now, and the article doesn't give a hoot about *how* the system is applied. Finally, the who-stole-what-from-whom debate is really, really sad, tired and old. It's a kind of childish tit-for-tat attitude to frame debates in such an arbitrary and inane terms. I mean, if the motivation for this debate stems from a lawsuit in the early 90's, well, people have to grow up and move on already. That goes for Mac-fanatics as much as Windows-fanatics or Linux-fanatics for that matter.

Oh, the "article" I'm referring to above is the Thurott one, not this immediate one on MacDailyNews.

I can't beleive that there is actually a pro M$ person out there in the world. I know people who use Windows and vow they will never use Apple, but they complain more about M$ then do the Apple users. But Thurott is one of a few M$ professional users that sheds so much light on the company. I am curious why this is so?
You know the more you hear from Thurott the more I tend to think that he has invested money into M$ and so far he hasn't seen a rise in his stock. He may of bought it at a price higher then it's worth today which is only $27. The man has no choice but to spout pro M$ since he most likely lost money on his investment and he needs to recoup his investment. But I think Thurott can see that change is coming and M$ is at the core of this change. M$ will eventually destroy their own marketshare because they spend so much time and money on maintaining that marketshare they miss so many oppurtunities. Just like in the Matrix, people are waking up to a computing world generated by M$ and not themselves.
I beleive that M$ will eventually lose marketshare to Linux and Apple. As hard as they try to tighten their grip around their marketshare more and more users get out. Thurott will be one of the last M$ users in the world and will go down with the ship.

As usual the mind-bending drugs sent from M$ are in effect.

What's it like to be on your planet Thurrott??

I guess you don't have anyone to talk to, being the only person in your Gates drug induced universe.

Thurott's "tech" writing research consists of MS press releases and talking with the MS PR guy.

Humm.... That''s amazing Apple Copied the search feature that Gates discussed in 2003 when Apple iTunes had the same feature in 2003.
But Apple has always copied the competitors ideas.

This proves he has never used a Mac. Searching my HDD is current 100 times easier and faster than on Windows, and has been for years. Moron has no clue what he is talking about. Just because MS announces an "idea" (stolen or not) 10 years before they can implent some half version of it, doesnt mean they were first to plate with it. Here comes another MS check for Mr Thurrott

So what ThoroughlyRotten is saying is that Apple never thought of this idea until Billy Boy mentioned it in the summer of 2003? Yet they were able to get Spotlight working for a demo a year later and ready for commercial release by around March 2005 while Microsoft recently announced that they won't even have WinFS ready for Longhorn IF it comes out in 2006? What a moron! First of all, it's complete BS, but he's too stupid to even realize that in the scenario he presented, MS is even MORE incompetent than they really are! Oh boy, that's gonna keep me smiling all day! What an idiot!

The thing that everyone seems to forget, including Mr. Thurrott, is that all these meta data enabled search technologies really find their origin in the BeOS. I believe that Apple and Microsoft both hired former Be engineers in order to improve on their filesystems and search capabilities. Isn't it amazing how spin can turn someone else's idea into your own?

Anyone wishing to send comments please use this email address provided by his "so beautiful" site

How can you copy something that doesnt exist...does something different and that is written in a different program language? Delusions.

Mr. Thurrott is starting to realize that his "cash cow" is eventually going to dry up, and he's only trying to put teets on a bull... that not only has no teets but doesn't have any legs to stand on either.

Let him go out to his own pasture...

Miicrosoft frequently announces they have something after they hear that others will have the technology just so they can claim they came up with it first. I have insider knowledge that Apple has been developing the search technology for Spotlight for over 10 years. At the developers conference, 8 years ago, there were demonstrations of much of what is now just being released in Tiger (however, much more refined and better integrated in Tiger). Many of these features were slated for Copeland. Features such as saved searches, high speed metadata searches are just a couple. Slowly over the years each of those features have been released.

He expends an awful lot of energy on writing about Apple, considering its "tiny market share."

SEarch on Windows XP sucks. Slow, slow, slow, slow and, well, it sucks.

I was at the PDC03 Event. A Gates spoke of it before apple ever did.
Looks like MSN Desktop Search beat Spotlight to the market. Its already available. And its incredibly fast.

http://beta.toolbar.msn.com/

"NoMacForYou" wrote: "I was at the PDC03 Event. A Gates spoke of it before apple ever did.
Looks like MSN Desktop Search beat Spotlight to the market. Its already available. And its incredibly fast.
"

so who is A. Gates? must be related to C Gates - no?

What R U Pissed off now? Did i OFEND U ?
Dont get you panties in a wad, Im just stating a Fact Fucko.

tbabcock@.mac.com

Here are the top 15 signes that apple is owned by MS

1.Apple's stock only rose 25% last week.
2.Bill Gates's birthday now a paid holiday for Apple employees.
3.Default Mac startup sound changed to "Taps."
4.Wall Street brokers have stopped using Apple stock certificates as toilet paper.
5.Apple's new slogan: "Almost as good as Windows!"
6.Apple has been bent over with its pants dropped for so long now, even a twink like tbabcock is bound to get lucky.
7.Cute rainbow-(Fagget)colored apple now inhabited by cute rainbow-colored worm.
8.Microsoft comes out with an operating system incorporating technology never seen...and the culty mac fans begin flaming their windows couterparts with "Thats Apple Technology"(Whine)
9.Phone and utilities mysteriously start working again at Apple's corporate HQ.
10.Steve Jobs seen tending bar at the Gates' private lawn party.
11.Diners in Microsoft's staff cafeteria can now enjoy their apple pie purely for its wholesome goodness and no longer as a symbolic act of global domination.
12.Unsold Newtons used as cobblestones in Gates's driveway.
13.Apple Employee of the Month gets to hunt loose change at Bill's house.
14.New Apple employee dress code includes large "Property of B. Gates" tattoo on ass.
15.Bill Gates still burned in effigy, but upper management no longer attends.

"planned features of Longhorn" vs existing? Copying - I don't think so...

Everyone should be e-mailing Thurrott personally. Complaining here doesn't do any good. It should be illegal for tech writers to write tech stories about things they know nothing about.

Thurrott is an idiot. Remember what I said at the WWDC? Spotlight is based on the same idea as iPhoto and iTunes? How long have they been around? I think it was Bill Gates who is taking other company's technologies and pretending they're the innovators. Like Michael Dell pretending to be a WiFi pioneer, even though at the time he made his claim and started adding it to their laptops, the very same standard and technology has been on Powerbooks for over a year!

And get this, Microsoft just announced that WinFS, the techology that will be the behind-the-scenes part of this Microsoft "innovation" just got pushed back to beyond Longhorn Server! That means 2008!!!!

Now, who is copying whom?

Hay all the guys above, Turd-rot is not worth your time!!! Next time just ignor his sh#t! Including MDN if you will.