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How does it taste, Paulie?

Speechless.......

He still makes me nervous. I envision the releaser of Longhorn to be hailed as something akin to Lazarus coming back from the dead.

I already hear Thurrott's trumpetting fanfare proclaiming the arrival of the new M$ king. Ugh.

Take what he says with a huge old chunk of salt.

Well, what can I say. Saying these things is a lot less painful than just coming out and saying I've been wrong. If I did that, how could I sell myself as a consultant to the 95 percent drones who use Windows?

Anyone else find it funny how when he opens a picture of IE it comes to the apple website?

http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/lh4058_review_25.jpg

jaw drops!

Is this the same guy?

Guys, you can't start a sentence with 'and'.

Sort it out!

Poor Longhorn! How sad for PC users. Paul has always put an overly exaggerated positive spin on everything Microsoft. In this article by Paul, he sounds like he just returned from his mother's funeral, where they dropped the casket or something. This is a must read for all the PC trolls who visit MDN Read it and weep! Very entertaining read for Mac users. GO Apple Computer---GO TIGER! YEAH BOY!

It is pretty obvious to me that the real work on longhorn had to wait until tiger came out.

MacMDS, what's even more funny is the look and feel of the new IE in Latehorn. Looks a lot like Safari. Hmmmmm.

LIES, LIES AND ALL LIES. Thurrott you are selling out. You have been bewitched by the mac zealots and are drinking their kool-aid. See if me and the mrs. ever have you over again to play with our toys. Windows rules; Bill Gates is a genius. Redmond is Paradise on earth. Longhorn kicks Tiger's but (when it gets of the chute in about 2 years), but nonetheless......


Ron "keep the checks from Gates coming" Enderle

Nice. As for the receptive press about Mac continuing from Mr. Thurrott? Sure, why wouldn't it? Frankly however, I think we might serve ourselves well if we got used to living compatibly in the same house with large numbers of people who, like Thurrott, also have both a normal commitment and an understandable endearment to Windows. These folks are invested in that product. Changes in investment take time.

That said, I'm skepitical about this "Switch" business. I suspect that, initially at least, it will be more a circumstance of 'adding-on' than 'switching'. It seems unlikely that many PC users would actually be abruptly and totally abandoning their old Windows boxes just because they got their first Mac. More likely they'll be running both PC and Mac side by side and together for a while (just like Thurrott). Under that scenario, not only would they continue to have reasonably supportive comments about Windows but, in-so-far as these folks would then indeed also be part of the Mac community, we long term Mac users might do well to find their comments acceptable. After all, when Mac takes double digit market share (and it will), by default there would likely be more Mac users newly arrived from the PC camp than there are current Mac only users.

Anyway, Thurrott's sometimes perplexing duality may well be a good indication of the upcoming mixed emotions that will be commonly expressed as more and more people acquire that new Mac to accompany their already existing PC. We should probably percieve it as reasonable and get on with the business of being a greatly expanded and compatible user community

He still needs to be treated like a dog that you're never sure will bite. The next time MS so much as adds a new font, he'll be all over trashing Apple again.

Thurrott is just realizing that Microsoft won't be around long enough to compensate him for his previous delusional beliefs.

Make sure to click the link above when he writes something positive or at least honest about Apple.

We want to support Thurrott when he advertises for Apple.

Am I the only one that thinks it's absolutely stupid that the address bar in IE sits above the File menu? Oh wait, it is Windows after all. Nevermind.

Well, folks can trash Mac all they want. The truth is out now and everybody knows it. If anything, it's most enlightening to be observing the curious hush that's currently occuring in some PC dominated communities. They can see. They are not only holding their breath ... they're thinking about joining. It's happening. Me? I'll be glad to have them as friends when they arrive.

TB2: You're right!! Hadn't noticed that the first time.
Weird...

Enderle: Paul you turd head!!! Just because Bill's paycheck is late for a month, you don't have to prostitute for the Mac!!!! Just make sure you check comes from the Ballmerman instead!! Sometime Steve's check could be late too but I, myself, me and my wang still ho for MicroS@#t! Long live " LongYawn"!

Um - not that I'm a windows fan, but...
Am I the only one that thinks it's absolutely stupid that the address bar in IE sits above the File menu? Oh wait, it is Windows after all. Nevermind.


The positions are dynamic and configurable. You can put the toolbars and menubars wherever you want. If the address bar is above the filemenu, it's because you (or someone who uses your computer) put it there.

All PC users are welcome here. Especially those who have purchased their first Mac. They will always find an unlimited number of people here more than happy to assist with any problems they might encounter. The Mac community is a wonderful group of highly intelligent people that welcomes one and all to the Mac family.

well maybe this guy is just a technology fan like the rest of us... nice to see that he finally seems to have dropped the stockholm syndrome

And just why not, craigybaby?

Wow, IE looks horrible. With all that money, can't Microsoft get some decent UI designers?

-- "Guys, you can't start a sentence with 'and'."

Sure you can. And I'd show you how if I wanted to make a point.

Meanwhile, PT has done this before, gone ga-ga over Macs only to return to his strange world view that Microsoft is dominant because it's better. So I suspect this is just another minor lapse, the exception he needs to prove "fair and balanced."

We want to support Thurrott when he advertises for Apple.

No, I'm a fraid we do not.

We shouldn't be supporting any analyst, tech writer, product reviewer, etc. that is advertising for a company. Thurott can post pro-Mac articles from here to eterninty, but the fact will always remain he's a hack and a shill. He'd just be a Mac hack, nothing more.

Posting a bunch of stuff you approve of does not gain him any credibility, it simply means you're the one he's currently making dumber.

We need to support objective and honest comparison testers, not guys like this.

Paul Thurrot: "Expectations were high that Microsoft would hit a home run with this build"

And instead it has been a big SWOOSH in the air for all to see. This time Microsoft PRs have not been able to fake the noise of a bat hitting the ball for all the blind Windozer to believe in a home-run.

The only home run you'll do is to home under an avalanche of BOOOOHHHHs

If they rebuilt Longhorn from the ground up on a unix base, they did give SCO a whole piss pot full of money, then they would have a good excuse. All they really did was attempt to make XP more secure and almost completely stop working on Longhorn for a year.

Obviously, Longhorn will be built upon the repaired XP carcass.

Good luck with that.

The only conclusion all these MS analysts apologists should reach is that they have dumbed for years their readers, should apologize and raise potatoes.

Do not even think now that you may come and write praises of OS X and believe you found a new audience. A tool is a tool is a tool.
Spreading FUD for years and bashing Apple and its innovation: time to change job now.

To Bob C.
>Sure you can. And I'd show you how if I wanted to make a point.>

Should read--"Sure you can, and I'd show you how if I wanted to make a point.
It's also 'i' before 'e', except after 'c', unless you're talking weights and measures.

I get my new iMac next week----luverly!

You certainly can start a sentence with 'and'.
And, moreover, some of the greatest writers of the English language have done so.

I was reading this article on his site last night. All I can say is that if a Microsoft fan boy like Paul Thurrott is bagging Windows and praising OSX and Linux then things must be getting pretty dire at Redmond. Mind you they are the world's best marketing machine. No one else can produce such a seductive marketing campaign to sell a mediocre product. I have noticed over the last few weeks that Microsoft's name has started appearing on our TVs in New Zealand regarding "this programe was sponsored by Microsoft" or Microsoft's seductive little ads about how using their products make your life and work sooooo much better and more productive using XP

Anyhow, I wouldnt be too concerned about the continuing longetivity of one of the world's biggest companies. They have more money than God and 95% of the worlds's developed countries use Windows so even if they only sold a few hundred million copies of Longhorn when it arrives in 2006-7 that will still be about 180 million MORE that OSX. And Microsoft will still be making a huge profit out of Longhorn.

We can knock and mock them and their OS till the cows come home but they will always be one of the richest most successful companies in the world when it comes to marketing a mediocre product to the rest of us.
Cheers

You certainly can start a sentence with 'and'.
And, moreover, some of the greatest writers of the English language have done so.

Correction. The word "and" is used to include another point of in the existing sentence so you would use a comma, for example:
I went out to the store to buy a new computer "and" go to a cafe to buy a coffee. (probably a bad example)

A comma, is used in a sentence to tell you when to take a pause or breath when reading a longer sentence, so that it doesn't all flow out in one big garbled mess with no breaks. All of this lot would be called a Paragraph until I start a new topic then I start a new Paragraph.

winmacguy,

Copy cat, is that what you mean?

>We need to support objective and honest comparison testers, not guys like this.>

Cpt. Obvious, you obviously did not read my second sentence.

>Posting a bunch of stuff you approve of does not gain him any credibility, it simply means you're the one he's currently making dumber.>

Are you dumber now because you agree with his current analyis?

"Zealot Thurott" has finally burned out... Yes!

>We shouldn't be supporting any analyst, tech writer, product reviewer, etc. that is advertising for a company>

Writing something honestly positive about a company is free advertisement for a company. Apple has received plenty of that from the free press lately.

*Gasps*

>You certainly can start a sentence with 'and'.

USAGE NOTE It is frequently asserted that sentences beginning with and or but express “incomplete thoughts” and are therefore incorrect. But this rule has been ridiculed by grammarians for decades, and the stricture has been ignored by writers from Shakespeare to Joyce Carol Oates. When asked whether they paid attention to the rule in their own writing, 24 percent of the Usage Panel answered “always or usually,” 36 percent answered “sometimes,” and 40 percent answered “rarely or never.” See Usage Notes at both, but, with. (Houghton Mifflin)

and anyway...

AND gates are most commonly manufactured with 2, 3, or 4 inputs. A standard Integrated Circuit (IC) package contains 14 or 16 pins, for practical size and handling. A standard 14-pin package can contain four 2-input gates, three 3-input gates, or two 4-input gates, and still have room for two pins for power supply connections.

so there

Wow. Speechless.

One Microsoft drone down a couple more to go.

Hell is starting to freeze over.

The freezing process will be complete when Enderle emits that Mac > Win.

BTW, the English language is sooo messed up. We should all start speaking a unified language! No more translators for me!

//PowerMac

All I can say is that if a Microsoft fan boy like Paul Thurrott is bagging Windows and praising OSX and Linux then things must be getting pretty dire at Redmond.

Indeed...2 years is a long time to wait.. for a lame duck.

Mind you they are the world's best marketing machine. No one else can produce such a seductive marketing campaign to sell a mediocre product.

Eh? Are we still talking about Gates and Ballmer?

No marketing required: they have contracts with Dell, HP etc. People don't actually have to like WIndows that much; it comes pre-installed on the vast majority of the worlds computers.

The actual Windows marketing, involves arrogantly plastering many of the worlds landmarks with a start button. How seductive. And then there's Bill Gates up on stage saying "Thanks to all the programmers at Microsoft who stayed up late--we're sorry for pulling them away from their eGirlfriends and eBoyfriends. Let's have a round of applause for teh 20,000 programmers who..are now dressed up like uber-geeks in Windows apparel."

Gates is much more a businessman than a computer geek, something he's very reluctant to admit.. because, of course, it undermines the quality of the product. Face it, he's a brilliant businessman; no marketing required.

I'd be careful, Microsoft might have something up their sleeve. Let's not forget that they can take a gamble. So what might be happening is make Windows look drab and then with a surprise, the real Windows (Longhorn) will rear its ugly head and the Windows fans will go gaga over it (similar to that of Whistler). Of course this is just speculation

I found it funny that the image of IE showed the Tiger web site.

Boy oh boy, I can hardly wait till' build 10082. That one is really gonna be sumpin. It should appear somewheres about WinHeck 2009, maybe sooner.


Yawnnnnnnnnnn, I'm gonna catch a nap now with this Windoze news.

Paul... my man...in spite of holding you in very low esteem for your previous articles proclaiming the virtues of Windows vs OS X, I must admit that you're treading on some very dangerous ground here, i.e., credibility with the "Apple crowd." Before someone labels me as a shill for Paul let me say up front that as a rule I have vehemently disagreed with the bulk of Paul's opinions regarding the Apple vs Windows religious wars. But when someone such as Paul steps up to the plate and blatantly contradicts much of his former opinion (in effect) my reaction to that is not one of "yeah, right your moron, you've finally come around" but rather one of "how impressive that you state your opinion as you hold it at the moment, no matter what you perceive that your opponents will attempt to do with it." Very impressive Paul. You calls 'em as you seez 'em. And you're not afraid of expressing an opinion that contradicts yourself. _Very_ impressive.

copy cat what? tterbo

mike, on Panther

With regards to my comments I was refering to both the current set of adverts on TV as well as the Win95 stuff that I remember when the internet was being made available to the public as opposed to message boards and computer nerds. Microsoft's ads ran like "where do you want to go today?" in comparison to Apple's advertising for the same time.....? People by stuff that they either use at work or see advertised on TV or a friend tells them about it. MS is on TV Apple is not.

Just got in from a night out and I see this. Amazing. First the Editor of C-Net switches and now P.T. himself is hedging his bets. The amazing thing to me is that Microsoft reportedly spends about 10x as much on R & D as Apple does. I'm not sure they are getting their money's worth.

It's STILL ugly as sin.

winmacguy..

spending money on advertising does not mean you're an great advertiser. that's where we disagree.

the ipod commercials sell a lifestyle, they're brightly colored 'mini music videos' to basically get your attention and get you thinking about all the fun you can get when you buy an ipod. yes, amazing.

but that's a lot like the windows commercials. like car commercials, the windows commercials always promised the moon.. you see people floating through the air, running in lush pastoral scenes... but, wait a minute, we're selling something very boring, an operating system that will largely be used by banks and airports.. we're wasting our money here. people use windows because they have to. let's just work on our negotiating skills with dell, hp, etc and forget about the advertising.

the smartest thing ms could do is promote the windows gaming platform. hence, Xbox.

I'm just saying, yes they have money, but their ads suck. they spend hudreds of millions of dollars to basically get people's attention, but, it's still gates and ballmer here.. the big promos, are gates sitting with conan, talking like kermit, muttering obscenities about how someone's gonna get fired when he gets back to redmond..

One minute you're down, the next you're right back up again.