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Trademark dispute could delay Apple iPhone in Canada
Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 12:50 PM EST

"A dispute between Apple Inc. and Toronto-based Comwave Telecom Inc. over the Canadian trademark rights to the name 'iPhone' has yet to be resolved, adding another barrier to the launch of Apple's next-generation handheld device north of the border," CBC News reports.

"Comwave, which markets a collection of voice-over-internet services and products under the name iPhone, has filed its opposition with the Canadian Intellectual Property Office, or CIPO, to Apple's trademark application for the proposed use of a handheld and mobile device called the iPhone in Canada," CBC News reports.

"The dispute, currently under review, could further delay the Canadian arrival of the Apple iPhone — a handset with a touchscreen interface, sleek design and both Wi-Fi and cellular service that has already sold over one million units in the United States since its launch in June. It will hit store shelves in Britain and Germany in time for the holiday season," CBC News reports.

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Oct 13, 07 - 12:02 pm Comment from: Ummmm...

Comwave Tele-who?

Oct 13, 07 - 12:02 pm Comment from: Regular Reader

First...and I am 1 bummed Canuck!

Oct 13, 07 - 12:03 pm Comment from: Regular Reader

...never mind.....

Oct 13, 07 - 12:04 pm Comment from: CandTsmac

THIS F#$KING SUCKS.

I love living in and being a Canadian but shit like this always keeps us from getting shit on time.

Still no iTMS Movies or TV here either.

Oct 13, 07 - 12:06 pm Comment from: HueyLong

If they had the name first there's a problem. But I'm curious about all this "i......" nomenclature. I can't recall seeing anything prefixed with "isomething" before the original iMac. Can that be clarified?

Now we have the BBC's iPlayer, clearly, and blatently cashing in on the kudos of iPod/iPhone/iMac/iTunes, etc. I'm not convinced Apple has a case, but I'm no lawyer. However, it strikes me as odd that manufacturers can simply add an "i" in front of any product they're marketing and think it'll somehow give it a caché and bump sales.

Any copyright lawyers around these boards?

Oct 13, 07 - 12:07 pm Comment from: CandTsmac

And another thing. They should be beat for the name.

Just because you jump on the whole bandwagon naming everything iSomething doesn't mean it is now yours.

This should be the same as grabbing the name http://www.ibm.tv when you aren't ibm.

Oct 13, 07 - 12:08 pm Comment from: CandTsmac

@ HueyLong.

You must have faster fingers than I.

Oct 13, 07 - 12:31 pm Comment from: Comwave Telecom Inc.

What's the problem? It's only a billion dollars we are asking for

Passs the cost onto your lemmings.

Problem solved.

Oct 13, 07 - 12:33 pm Comment from: Terrance and Philip

"Oh Terrance!"

"Yes Phillip"

"I got a rare Canadian iPhone in my ass"

"Oh let me see"

*FART*

chorus "Hahahahaha"

Oct 13, 07 - 01:10 pm Comment from: Shoeman

Anyone over 10 around these boards? (Aside from my 50+ year old self, of course.)

Oct 13, 07 - 01:20 pm Comment from: Old Man

Anyone over 10 around these boards?

Yes I'm over 10, well over.

In fact I'm so old I fart dust. Here have some. *pooft*

Hahahahaha! Good one Terrance!

Oct 13, 07 - 01:52 pm Comment from: michaelg

wow. screw apple's iphone... i want comwave's:

http://www.comwave.net/CDN/iPhone/iPhone_mobile.htm

Oct 13, 07 - 03:13 pm Comment from: @michaelg

Thanks for the link...

that phone is incredible! how have we not heard about it? and it came out *before* Apple's iPhone!

Comwave: the sleeper Apple killer.

Oct 13, 07 - 03:19 pm Comment from: Name

I live in Mississauga (just outside Toronto). This week alone I saw three iPhones. I spotted two of them on my university campus and one on the bus ride home. All of them were hacked to run on rogers and all of them were hacked to run third party apps. I even got a chance to play around with one, and am totally sold on it. I'll buy it the second it comes up here. It's more of a tiny tablet laptop than a cellphone. Apple needs to hurry up and release laptops and displays that utilize the iphone touch screen.
If apple does release an ultraportable computer (something to replace the 12 inch powerbooks/ibooks) it should be based on the iphone/ ipod touch and use the same ui.

Oct 13, 07 - 03:33 pm Comment from: Big Al

The iPhone-mobile is sold out.

Does it even exist?

Why has no one ever heard of it.

Sounds like a scam to milk Apple of a few million.

Rogers is a waste of time anyway. Apple should just pass on Canada for now.

Come back with a G3 phone and let Telus and Bell outbid each other for it. That's the only way to get unlimited data at a reasonable price.

Oct 13, 07 - 03:38 pm Comment from: @michaelg

Look at the buttons on that thing! And the display! Groundbreaking!

MW: makes, as in Comwave's iPhone *makes* Apple's iPhone look pitiful.

Oct 13, 07 - 05:13 pm Comment from: Andy

Comwave "may" own the name, but they have already lost the battle. 90% of the population, even in Canada, and whether they use Apple products or not, associate the iPhone name with the Apple product, never mind that the Comwave "phone" is in a completely different category.
But, as always, it will be fun to see how it all turns out. In the meantime, in the Great White North, we wait for the real iPhone - may it come sooner than later.

Oct 13, 07 - 06:15 pm Comment from: michaelg

Comwave's iPhone is just a landline phone service with perhaps some voip or skype additives. Only after the real iPhone went on sale in the U.S., did Comwave start advertising their iPhone "service". I saw it on the back of buses in Toronto. Their way of saying "we were here first", I guess.

Oct 13, 07 - 11:10 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

Am I the only one who's wondering why Cisco didn't sue these guys, too? Or why they didn't sue Cisco...?

Oh yeah, this is all about publicity.

I mean, duh.

-c

Oct 13, 07 - 11:14 pm Comment from: Buddy Cole

It's BAD enough that I'm GAY. For Christ's sake, don't tell ANYONE that I'm CANADIAN.

Oct 13, 07 - 11:19 pm Comment from: Maservant Hecubus

I'm ready to serve you, master. Aaaaaand Satan!

Oct 13, 07 - 11:20 pm Comment from: Chicken Lady

Would you like some eggs? They're fresh, right out of my body and on to your plate!

Oct 13, 07 - 11:24 pm Comment from: Kevin MacDonald

Danny, my eyes are killing me!

{kill danny}

Oct 13, 07 - 11:24 pm Comment from: MacSheikh

@ChrissyOne

My thoughts exactly. But would it help Apple in any way if Cisco sued Comwave for the name (assuming they have the advantage, of course).

Lawyers in the house?

Oct 13, 07 - 11:25 pm Comment from: Bruce McCulloch

I'd like to tell you... about the Dave's I know.

Oct 13, 07 - 11:28 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ MacSheikh

I doubt it, that's probably why it didn't happen (or did it?) I don't know, the whole thing stinks of clever marketing to me.

Oct 13, 07 - 11:30 pm Comment from: The Kids in the Hall

One day God said
This is what I will do
I'll send down my son
I'll send him to you
To clear up this humpity
Bumpity hulabaloo
His name will be Christ
And he'll never wear shoes
And his pals will all call
Him the King of the Jews

He didn't come in a plane
He didn't come in a jeep
He didn't come in the pouch
Of a high jumping vo veep

He rode on the back of a black sasatoo
Which is the blackiest creature
You ever could view

He rode to Jerusalem
Home of the grumpity Jews
Where false prophets are worshipped
Some even in two's

There was Murrary Von Mer
And Genghis Vo Vooze
The one you could worship
By taking a snooze

Christ spoke from a mound
Which is a pile of ground
And people gathered around
Without making a sound
And thus he spake

Sin in socks
Socks full of sin
How do we quiet this
Jehoviadin din

Do unto others as
They do unto you
That includes you
Young Timothy Foo

One pharisee said to another he knew
"What do we do with this upitty jew?"
We can wash him in wine
And make him all clean
And into Sam Zittle's
Crucifiction Machine

Twirl the gawhril
And relase the gavlease
And in go the nails
As fast as you please

And it is said that he
Said as he bled:

Forgive them Father
For they know not what they do

For they walk through this life
In toe crampity shoes.

Do you?

Amen.

Oct 14, 07 - 06:21 am Comment from: Andre

I posted last thursday on the MacNN forums that a representative of Rogers told me that the iPhone won't go on sale in Canada before July 2008. The girl told me that they were problems to fix before it could go on sale. Among the reasons for the delay, she sited that the phone had to be builingual and that their system wasn't ready yet for all the iPhone features.

Oct 14, 07 - 08:01 am Comment from: LordRobin

In Canada, they should call it the EhPhone! LOL

Oct 14, 07 - 10:47 am Comment from: @Big Al

And to anyone else that was wondering.

The Comwave IPhone has been advertising on Toronto and Mississagua buses for over two years.

It's fairly clear they wish to protect their service.
All it takes in Canada is to have a huge referendum over the need for Apples iPhone to enter the Canadian market.

So write to Parliament.

Oct 14, 07 - 10:49 am Comment from: BigPaise

@LordRobin ... funny!

But looks like Comwave already has that one taken too.

Oct 14, 07 - 11:00 am Comment from: Oh God, Andre

No no no... it can't be about bilingualism.
Don't believe that crap.

My Mac computer is Multi-lingual.
AND so is the iPhone.

Simply change the settings to display the language of choice.

----

It's about the cost of services to the customers.
And how Rogers wishes to profit from Apple.
Still, Rogers is not ROGERS anymore.
AT&T;Canada runs the Rogers show so this is why three days after the US launch of iPhone... Rogers came out to say Rogers has exclusive first launch of iPhone in Canada.

AND they will. It's about change though and money.

Oct 14, 07 - 11:10 am Comment from: I want Apples iPhone today

In Canada.

I can't wait until xmas.

I have been good Ted.
Pls Ted Rogers, pls I am at your merci.
I will cancel my Bell phone now.
And wait for your reply.

I need iPhone so I can see my own webpage - it's the best way to cheat on my exams in University. Pls. Ted.

Oh - yes, right, I will return to my evil self after I get the phone.
hahahah cos cheating is bad right... darn ted you are so so kind.
I learnt my lesson. I shall not cheat on my exams again.

Yes, you are wise Ted... thanks for stopping me.

So this is why the iPhone is not in Canada.

Gosh - you are clearly a man to look up to.

Thank you so so much. You are right Apple iPhone should stay out of Canada. We are honest students.

hahahahahaah

Whatever, now lets see some writer weave this crap into some article just to get on the Apple wave of media.

Oct 14, 07 - 11:15 am Comment from: @the guy who wants a iPhone today

Quite funny.

However, Ted Rogers, I believe is no longer running Rogers Communications. Maybe I am wrong, but for some reason I think he stepped down when AT&T;Canada came into the picture. Five or Six years ago.

This looks like a AT&T;Canada issue with the iPhone delay.

Oct 14, 07 - 12:13 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

Don't worry, we'll fix your wireless system after we invade your country. I think you're on our list, right after Iran and North Korea.

Oct 14, 07 - 03:31 pm Comment from: twilightmoon@mac.com

@ChrissyOne

Don't we already own Canada?

Oct 14, 07 - 04:18 pm Comment from: Yaletown



No, but make sure to do it before your USD $ worth nothing compare to the CAD $ !

Oct 14, 07 - 04:24 pm Comment from: Jailbird

iPod Touch easily cracked now with iJailbreak

Not for iPhone, working on it.

http://ijailbreak.com/

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061018-8022.html

Oct 14, 07 - 05:44 pm Comment from: Hm ...

Given that the dates on the images on Comwave's server read:
   22-Jan-2007 09:51
this could get interesting...

Oct 14, 07 - 09:33 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Yaletown

That's why we have to invade. Keep 'em down before they get too full of themselves with their clean streets and their low crime and their affordable health care. Who the hell do they think they are?

Oct 14, 07 - 09:36 pm Comment from: tt

MDN SUCKS ON SUNDAY.

Oct 14, 07 - 09:39 pm Comment from: Rob

@ChrissyOne
Maybe because Cisco didn't register the name in Canada?

Apple should rename iPhone to fuPhone or smdPhone, so the Cisco/Comwave likes could go to hell.

Oct 14, 07 - 09:43 pm Comment from: Rob

@tt
At least we can read all that has accumulated monday morning at the office, when everybody is too lazy to work after the weekend.

Oct 14, 07 - 11:54 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

Well it would make sense for Apple to rename the product invadePhone, since that is a trademark of the AENUS terroristic group already.

I would not be surprised if some AENUS morons think they already have invaded and conquered Canada.

Oct 15, 07 - 10:58 am Comment from: fuzzybear

this honks on bobo!

Antarctica will have iPhone service before Canada!

Oct 16, 07 - 04:20 am Comment from: MacSheikh

@ Chrissy

"That's why we have to invade. Keep 'em down before they get too full of themselves with their clean streets and their low crime and their affordable health care. Who the hell do they think they are?"

Lol! You crack me up! :-D

But seriously, i love Canada. Never been there myself, but from what i hear, its all good. Gotta love that country. Seriously.

Oct 18, 07 - 12:24 am Comment from: TheConfuzed1

VOIP is nothing new. I can't believe that there are people reading here that don't know about these phones. Sure, you may not have heard about the Comwave iPhone, but to have not heard of this technology at all?

T-Mobile offers a similar service here in the US, plus their phone also works on the T-Mobile cellular service.

I've never been with T-Mobile, and I will soon be switching to AT&T;for the iPhone (waiting for house to be built, so I can get the new loan before the credit inquiry of switching networks).

I wouldn't switch to T-mobile for this service alone, but without the existence of Apple's iPhone, I might consider it.

Personally, I would love to see something similar developed for iPhone.

Oct 18, 07 - 09:45 am Comment from: xkalay

Contrary to common Machead belief, the "i" branding has been popular for any internet based product since 1995. It's not an Apple marketing invention, in fact Apple simply jumped on the "i" bandwagon (and did a much better job of marketing it then everyone else).
Cisco owns the rights to iphone in the US and came to an agreement with Apple. Comwave owns the right's to it in Canada and I am sure they will also work out something with Apple.
If Comwave has been operating under that name for years now under the branding "iphone" (it looks like they have been using it since 2004) it would cost them a small fortune to change their Marketing and product naming. Apple should offer them a compensation package to change their branding.
But I guess the Canadian consumer is not that important to Apple.

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