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Mar 17, 08 - 03:41 pm Comment from: Buster

Too bad so sad.

Bolt the chairs to the ground!

Mar 17, 08 - 04:06 pm Comment from: It's About Time

I guess Ballmer forgot to make his "donation" to da Judge.

Mar 17, 08 - 04:36 pm Comment from: Olmecmystic

The "system" is finally seeing through Microsoft's anti-competitive shenanigans. The E.U., the U.S. Supreme Court, the states, etc. are all saying, "Yo, we're onto you, asshole. Don't even try it; this ain't the 90's."

Ballmer better open the vault that he knows the combination to so well because they're about to un-ass some more moolah.

Has the Vista-ready/Vista-capable class-action hit yet? Bolt down the chairs indeed!

Don't you love it? I do!

Peace.
Olmecmystic

Mar 17, 08 - 04:40 pm Comment from: Zune Tang®

Whatever. This will be thrown out too.

Another liberal, activist court getting all full of themselves but it won't work. Microsoft's marvelous innovation and focus on customer needs speaks for itself. It's called capitalism people. Sore loser Novell has sour grapes.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Mar 17, 08 - 04:45 pm Comment from: Hentercenter

"Gee, that's too bad, huh?"

yeah thanks MDN, take my lines...

Mar 17, 08 - 04:47 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Oddly enough, ZT, 9 of the 14 judges on the 4th are Republican appointees.

I'm not sure why there are so many vacancies......

It's the liberal revisionist judges that legislate from the bench. Now with a set of really conservative judges and justice department, M$ will get its just deserts. Blame Clinton and the hapless Janet Reno for not taking care of the M$ back in the 90's. Again if you haven't seen the origins of internet on the Science Channel please watch the episode on the Browser Wars. It is obvious the Clinton administration gave M$ a pass. Gates was lying about M$'s tactics against Netscape, while being video'd by the D.O.J. And they show the actual tape.

Just my $0.02

P.S. I am from Miami. My Mom used to shop in the same Supermarket as Mrs. Reno did. When I was growing up D.A. Reno was the toast of the town. The Clinton administration took advantage of Mrs Reno's illness and she was too proud to resign...Hence Waco..Hence Ruby ridge..Hence M$ getting away with murder.

MS and novell can wither and rot, they deserve it. Novell raped Groupwise from WordPerfect, and then allowed WP to die on almost every platform except windows.

Back when Apple was switching to OS X, Novell wouldn't even recompile the linux version of WP that they were trying to push to keep the Mac WP users, Novell didn't care.

When it comes to Mac, they still don't. They give great lip service to Mac clients, while farming out the development to ProSoft. The new Mac GW client is just the worst POS ever.

Novell and MS, they deserve each other and the death that awaits them as they circle the bowl on their trip to oblivion.

Actually, it was not the Clinton administration that , as Ray writes, "gave M$ a pass". It was the incoming Bush administration's John Ashcroft that decided to settle the anti-trust suit on such easy terms. Personally, I thought the focus of the trial was too narrow, but the judge did end up finding against Microsoft almost across the board. (I still have a copy of the "Findings of Fact".) Had Judge Jackson not spoken so candidly to a journalist during the trial, he wouldn't have been removed. A more lenient judge was put in his place.

The irony is that while Justice was fighting Microsoft in court, internally it was pushing Windows and Office as their standard.

Mar 17, 08 - 05:08 pm Comment from: Hm...

@ Ray,

Thanks for your oh so incisive commentary. Now, perhaps, you should go look at the backgrounds of your "liberal revisionist judges" to discover just what credentials they really do sport and by whom they were mostly appointed. Maybe then you'll quit spouting talking-points and base your comments on facts. Or maybe not.

Mar 17, 08 - 05:25 pm Comment from: Scot Murphy

Not only that, Ruby Ridge happened before the 1992 elections--under George H. W. Bush.

Ray only said the obvious, If the Clinton administration would have just finished the job, pussy, oops, I mean Bushy wouldn't have had the chance to let MS off the hook. Clearly a screwup by the Clinton administration.

Mar 17, 08 - 05:36 pm Comment from: Brau

The real crime here is that the judicial system allows these cases to be delayed. By the time it goes to court, MS has already achieved their objective. Four years to simply deny their ability to halt a case is pathetic. How many more years will it be before a ruling is actually made?

Yeah oops...Ruby Ridge did happen under Bush 41. You try to write a dissertation and sarcastic Apple Fanboy comments at the same time....:p

Just my $0.02

Mar 17, 08 - 06:07 pm Comment from: Zune Tang®

Did I say "liberal, activist court"?

I think Ray put it best when he said "liberal revisionist judges that legislate from the bench". That has a more fearful, divisive and conspiratorial ring to it.

It's us against them.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Mar 17, 08 - 06:19 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

Boy this looks like deja vu.

Yummy. This will be absorbed as well.

Another court of justice going and defends capitalism from the evils of monopolism. The winning side will prevail once again and will continue to do so until MS either changes or is locked behind bars forever.

Your crime. Our Justice.™

Mar 17, 08 - 07:06 pm Comment from: Greg L

MDN: Man oh man I like you Balmer chair animation

You all make good points – or at least most of you. But what you fail to see is that there is starting to be a precedent here. The EU will have its fun with Apple soon and some of that might also start to spill into the U.S.. You can say what you like about M$ but they tried fairly hard to protect themselves and put down precedent for U.S. companies in regards to the EU. They failed and a lot of people here cheered, just remember all that when Brussels sinks its bloody fangs into Apple.

@Matt

So you want the US Justice system to leave M$ alone?

Or do you mean that the US Bloody Fangs of Justice are ok, but when it's the EU it is not?

I think you mean the former, but am not sure...

Mar 17, 08 - 07:42 pm Comment from: GizmoDan

So what is Microsoft claiming? That only operating system makers can sue them for monopolizing the market?

You wish!!!!!

Ray,
Do us all a favour and take a long walk off a short pier.

@ A bit confused

IMHO – I think M$ got and will get karma retributions in the US. But I also feel that what took place in the EU was BS and the EU has extended and will continue to extend their powers.

You can say what you want about M$, but I think they saw what the EU was doing and what the ramifications would be if they lost. They spent a lot of money fighting for US company rights in a global market. There were a lot of people on these pages that were cheering them on – “Down with M$”. But what those Cheering failed to see is that in the next couple of years, those decisions will have a major impact on all US companies that participate in the global market – including Apple, who is on Brussels list.

Mar 17, 08 - 08:08 pm Comment from: shen

wow Ray,you win the "not to bright" award! congrats!

Pay back's a bitch, isn't it?

Grats forum, I don't think I've seen such a balanced set of political views on MDN eva

Don't spoil it

It's odd that Novell would be focusing on WordPerfect in this lawsuit. They only bought out WordPerfect Corp. because is included the code that eventually became GroupWise (which still is far superior to Outlook in many ways, though the Mac client isn't great). They wanted to beef up the offerings for their NetWare server (which is still far superior to Windows Server in many ways, though Mac support is sometimes spotty). They didn't do a thing with WordPerfect. It only came into its own after Novell sold it to Corel in the early 90s. When Corel took over WordPerfect (which is still far superior to Word in many ways, though the Mac version wasn't great) it was probably already too late. And yes, Microsoft did their darndest to ensure its demise. Frankly, Corel has more of a case than Novell.