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Jun 27, 08 - 10:16 am Comment from: Buster

Too stupid to comment on....

Doubtless Ivan Seidenberg will get old too.

What a creep.

;(

^ ^ ^ Agreed.

Jun 27, 08 - 10:21 am Comment from: CYxodus

That's not spin, that's denial.

Can you hear me now??

Jun 27, 08 - 10:22 am Comment from: January 24, 1984

"The smell of sweat on the morning. It smells like....victory."

From Wikipedia - Ivan was born in 1946 and Steve in 1955 - so Ivan is himself older than dirt and already eligible for retirement.

Jun 27, 08 - 10:22 am Comment from: Cascadians

He just got the Darwin Award for the corporate world.

Buster,

"Too stupid to comment on...."

No doubt, Buster, no doubt.

As the CEO of a major company, he should be ashamed that that's his only response to a clear threat to his business. What he's basically saying is "Yeah, they've got us beat now but we're praying to God that once Steve leaves Apple years & years from now that we'll still be around."

Jun 27, 08 - 10:30 am Comment from: MrKruser

As an investor, I ALWAYS stay away from a company who's CEO has no respect for their competition, and in fact, trivializes the competitive product (and company) with comments like these. One should have great respect for the man and/or machine that can bring you down. These comments should be iCal'd, just like the idiotic comments of M.Dell, S.Ballmer, and the like...

If they're in such a good position then why haven't they done it already? Why don't they have devices offering great internet experiences? If it's so easy then why don't they do it? Apple did if first go and are only getting better, they started from nothing with other companies already selling in large numbers and they're already a credible threat. If your game plan revolves around hoping that the leader of your competition will die before his company destroys yours, then you're one hell of a gambler.

Or an idiot.

Or both.

what a jerk.

reminds me of Retief "the Hater" Goosen.

I wonder if he hopes Jobs has his cancer return.

A hole!!!

Jun 27, 08 - 10:40 am Comment from: whoitis

how old is this Seidenberg guy....13? he's got some growing up to do.

Hey, thanks Mr Seidenberg...that "get old" comment just majorly tapped into Steve Jobs "above all others" determination and he will now be iCEO of Apple until he is 99 years old...just to piss off that guys grandchildren, and for no other reason. Ask Michael Dell.
Mr Seidenberg was the first to talk to Apple about the iPhone and rejected the idea...which may go down as history's biggest blunder and future generations will study about it. If I was Mr Seidenberg, I would just plain shut up. Even when a fool keeps his mouth shut, he is not perceived as a fool...paraphrased from the Bible.

The very definition of "dick"

Wow, when do they learn.

I stepped into a Verizon store at the mall the other day and asked the manager about the Instinct and the Dare. He didn't even know what I was talking about.
If Verizon can't even tell their managers about what is coming to try to compete with the iPod, then I will stay with AT&T;just as a matter of principle, regardless of who carries the iPhone.

Jun 27, 08 - 10:56 am Comment from: MaLvado

Didn't Ballmer say "i like our chances" when referring to his mobile solution vs the iPhone?

Can you smell the fear as we approach to July 11?

In my neighborhood Verizon has provided a very welcome fiber optic alternative to Comcast cable. But wireless data rates are going up as costs are coming down, and AT&T;now has 3G coverage in my area. So here's another prospective customer for iPhone 2.0.

Jun 27, 08 - 11:14 am Comment from: Spark

So Verizon's business plan now rely on opposing CEOs retiring or dying?

Apple is growing it's strong team day by day

the right way

STEVE or no STEVE we will kick your ass

The only thing I can think of is we hate you now more than dell

Jun 27, 08 - 11:17 am Comment from: MCCFR

Earth hath no idiocy like a wireless carrier scorned by Apple's Steve Jobs.

Obviously, MDN has never had to engage in what I'll euphemistically call a dialogue with some of WinDroid idiots who have been hanging around this site recently, many of whom make an exhaustive case for late-term abortion.

the quote 'It's very cool. And Steve Jobs eventually will get old . . . I like our chances,'
Struck me as being very close to the now famous Uncle Fester (Steve Ballmer) quote "I like out strategy, I like it allot" referring to how he thought the iPhone couldn't compete with windows mobile devices because it "didn't have a keyboard" and thus didn't "make a very good email device"

Hehe... it worked so well for Fester, he thought he would trot it out again (he isn't even original) Will the stupidiy and hubris of these CEO's ever cease. Guess not till the stockholders eject them and they get to exercise their golden parachute clause(s).

Jun 27, 08 - 11:26 am Comment from: HMCIV

Verizon should take a line from South Park's Chef:

"All right all right, quiet, children! Now, nobody's getting served if I can help it. We just gotta buckle down, dig deep, and pray that maybe the other team comes down with cancer."

Jun 27, 08 - 11:32 am Comment from: WriterGuy

Time to short Verizon.

Just for kicks, I sometimes walk into a Verizon or Sprint store, play dumb, and ask if they can show me the iPhone.

The sales people always smile smugly and then fall all over themselves as they shift into their memorized scripts about the LG Voyager or Samsung Instinct. I quickly stop them and shift into my own script. "I asked about the iPhone," I inject. "The Voyager [or Instinct] is not an alternative to the iPhone because with Apple's products, while the hardware is great, it's all really about the software. The iPhone runs on Mac OS X, the very best computer operating system in the world. The use of this operating system means that the iPhone also is a powerful and versatile portable, handheld computer. iTunes, the elegant interface, useability, third-party software, compatibility with my iPod music, computer calendar and address book and the regular upgrades and refinements all are things no old-style phone can deliver. If you don't have the iPhone, you don't have a comparable product because one doesn't exist. This is always when they stop talking and smiling.

Enter iPhone into the Search box at Verizon and you get The Voyager at the top of a list that extends back 10 pages (11 phones per page)! Call Sprint and ask about the iPhone and they sales rep starts spouting off about how the Instinct is better than the iPhone...

Jun 27, 08 - 11:41 am Comment from: wyorancher

Gee Mr. "Can You Hear Me Now" - I dropped my Verizon service like a hot rock and got an iPhone and AT&T;- I get bars with them where there is no Verizon to be seen. The rest of my people in my company are getting iPhones as soon as the Verizon contract expires. As an owner, I was able to go ahead and just do it. This loser has yet to see the tidal wave of hurt that is gonna hit.
Woota maroon!

Jun 27, 08 - 11:46 am Comment from: chefmitch

It takes a whole lot more than Ivan's quote to get me excited. I like the fact that Ivan thinks his company is going to rule them all.

What exactly is all the outrage about?

"Time to short Verizon."

This would be a great time to do that, but not as good as when the iPhone was announced.

-jcr

Jun 27, 08 - 11:53 am Comment from: TowerTone

" I like our chances"-Ivan Seidenberg

"Well punk, do you feel lucky? Well, do ya'?"-Steve Jobs

When they're raving about the other guy's product, and they don't give a damn about yours, what's left but to trash the other guy.

Jun 27, 08 - 12:11 pm Comment from: Cubert

VERIZON FSCK YOU! March 2009 can't come soon enough for me. I will finally be liberated from my POS Samsung phone and Verizon's @$$ raping charges.

Not even a kiss or a jar of Vaseline as far as the eye can see.

"Old" may simply be a euphemism for "dead". Things seems to be heating up in the mobile communications world.

If I saw Ivan Seidenberg and Steve Jobs within 100 yards of one another, I'd make sure I wasn't between him and Jobs.

Ivan has already been told by me that I will be leaving Verizon for AT&T;because he doesn't have the iPhone. I have been with Verizon for 8 years. He didn't care if I left or not. I just haven't bought the 1st Gen iPhone because I knew there would be improvements. The 2nd Gen is more to my needs....Will see if Ivan loses me in July or next July...but it will happen....probably this July.

MDN, I think you mean "spurned" not "scorned". And didn't Verizon spurn Apple rather than vice versa?

Jun 27, 08 - 12:42 pm Comment from: Jubei

Is he suggesting that Jobs will die soon and Apple will fail in that market because of his death?

chefmitch

What exactly is all the outrage about?

Because it's that same, tired charade that all of Apple's so-called competitors have been pulling out lately: the insinuation that they (the competition) is going to be better, faster, and more profitable at bringing features and usability to their products and it's all done in a style that suggests that Apple <italics> hasn't already done so </italics> and embarrassed carriers and handset makers of all stripes.

These putzes have had 25 years to do something cool with handsets and wireless capabilities and they completely blew it, and now that Apple has shown them how it's done, they fall all over themselves to pretend that they will be able to do it just as easily, or that they somehow already have. It's the deluded double speak of the Emperor, convinced he actually is wearing clothes.

Anyone who wants Verizon's or Sprint's quick rip-off iPhone "Look-a-Likes" can have them.

They're garbage products.

MDN: "Earth hath no idiocy like a wireless carrier scorned by Apple's Steve Jobs."

--> All wireless carriers are idiots that treat their customers like chumps. This particular carrier is just a little more of an idiot than the others. Alltel customers be warned, Verizon is working to buy your carrier, say goodbye to Chad and hello to "Can you hear me now." My switch to AT & T is looking better.

Verizon no GSM no iPhone. End of story. Maybe in 5 years?

Jun 27, 08 - 01:11 pm Comment from: Predrag

Anyone remember countless iPod killers out there? Each and every one relentlessly tried one-upping the iPod with, oh, what, FM radio, replaceable batteries, bigger (if not better) screens...

They all have one thing in common: they just don't get it. Same goes for all iPhone imitators. Obviously, a year and a half ago, nobody in the wireless industry thought of putting a touch screen as the primary (not to mention only) navigational tool. Now, even RIM is coming out with a touch screen blackberry!

These will all be irrelevant. Voyagers, or Instincts or all other (windows based) iPhone wannabes will probably show an uptick in sales during the May-June iPhone shortage. Beginning July, though, that will be it for them. Let them enjoy the little success they can have while they can. Two more weeks, folks!

Crash: "...Ahh you wanta look up your facts there chum??? Samsung instinct...is eclusive to Sprint there charger."

Ahem, Crash...That's why the very first sentence of my post reads "Just for kicks, I sometimes walk into a Verizon or Sprint store, play dumb, and ask if they can show me the iPhone..."

You must have read past the words "or Sprint." No foul, no harm. Apology accepted...

Jun 27, 08 - 01:16 pm Comment from: KingMel

Exactly, MaLvado. Ballmer said that when he was talking about the iPhone being the most expensive phone in the world.

The closest analog that I can think of is the personal computer. The three legs of the PC market was the integrated PC (IBM), the CPU (Intel) and the software (M$). Software proved to be the biggest money maker, and integrated PC sales the least as the hardware became a low-margin commodity.

The key to the iPhone is the MacOS X software and SDK. That translates into an ecosystem of applications and functions based on MacOS X-based handsets like the iPhone and iPod touch, and the long-term Apple approach could eventually involve licensing as the handset hardware becomes more of a commodity.

The difference this time is that Apple has a big headstart in both hardware and software and a great development plan. It is going to be very difficult for anyone to dethrone Apple in this arena for some time to come, unless they employ nefarious tactics of collusion, etc. in an attempt to exclude Apple from the market and/or put Apple at a competitive disadvantage. It goes without saying that all of the competitors will attempt to discredit Apple, as evidenced by the hype when Apple fails to massively exceed some real or imagined goal.

Apple has the software. Software rules, therefore Apple rules.

Jun 27, 08 - 01:21 pm Comment from: KingMel

@Passerby: He who spurns last, spurns loudest. It isn't a successful spurn if you end up the loser (Verizon).

Samsung's cell phone business is built on ripping off successful phone designs originally produced by other companies. Remember the Samsung A900 (aka Blade), a blatant copy of the Motorola RAZR? I purshased it only because it was one of Sprint's first Bluetooth phones (which finally came two years behind AT&T;'s Bluetooth even then). My Blade was (and still is) a very poor cell phone with bad software, little or no connectivity and crippled features that haven't been fixed in two-and-one-half years. Sprint and Samsung had their chance. In two weeks, bye-bye.

Jun 27, 08 - 01:22 pm Comment from: ElderNorm

This guy wants to be like the CEO of Motorla. "What is the iPhone going to do about us?"

Hmmm, make them go away??? LOL

"As handsets become banking tools and games controllers, mobile operators can up-end other companies' business models. It's very cool. And Steve Jobs eventually will get old . . . I like our chances.''

WHAT AN *SSH*LE!

Passerby - you're right of course. Verizon turned down Apple before Apple toddled off to the next choice, AT&T;.

what a good idea... just simply do nothing and wait for your old shitty phones to come back from the dead.

Apple is not going away... the iphone is only going to get better... wtf are you gonna do? TRY HARDER! GET IN THERE!!

look at it like this... if every movie studio was releasing VHS cassettes except ONE was using DVD's... who is going to be selling more content... ??

DO SOMETHING... stop whining and bitching, and patronising your shareholders... get off your hands, stop crying and work.. go to work. figure it out.... go buy an iphone use it for a day... and realize you are in big fucking trouble.. who is going tohelp you? microsoft!!? hAHAHAHAHAAH.... symbion?!?!!? HAAHAHAHAHAHA

you must hire bad ass developers.. you must make walmart like deals with hardware producers, you must FINISH the product before launching it... good luck.. maybe if you start on Monday you could save your company.,

mdn magic word: past.. as in you cant live in the past.