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Sep 03, 09 - 03:18 pm Comment from: Ottawa Mark

More right wing paranoia from MDN. Perhaps they can sponsor the next tea-bagging party...

Sep 03, 09 - 03:19 pm Comment from: TheConfuzed1

More left wing propaganda from Ottowa Mark.

Perhaps he can sponsor the next bail-out.

Sounds like more Al Gore looney left feces. That stupid fscking fad is so 2008. Grow the fscking up lib crybabies.

Hey Ottawa Mark,

When were doing our "tea-bagging" parties, perhaps you and your ilk would like to receive the "tea-bags?"

Environmentalists (most of them) are nothing but watermelons... Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Sep 03, 09 - 03:29 pm Comment from: shen

I bet the boardroom meeting went something like...

"Lets see, Sean Hannity, country music, and people who don't understand basic science and it is all being set up by a company that strip mines mountains into disaster areas. Yeah, we should sell there!"

To the left: Look, they aren't supporting the event, they are selling crap there, don't get your knickers in a knot.

To the right: Global warming is a freaking scientific fact, deal with it. We know you never question the marching orders from the Faux News talking heads, but try not acting two years old for a second. The science type people in the lab coats actually have facts to back their claims, and when you grow up and can handle hard words maybe you will understand.

Lastly, why is this in my Apple news???

AGW is being used as a means to redistribute global wealth. A more apt phrase for AGW should be "Apportion Global Wealth."

I just got done reading a NYTimes article that said low and middle income countries need over $300 billion dollars per year in order to bring their infrastructures to levels comparable with developed countries and then another 16 to 60 billion dollars per year to "climate proof" them.
I believe that once these countries have nice new shiny infrastructures paid for by dupes in developed countries, the forces of globalisation are going to see to it that jobs from developed countries are off-shored to these countries to take advantage of their cheap labor.

In summary, we are being lied to about AGW in order to fund the building of infrastructure in low and middle income countries so that more jobs from developed countries can be "re-distributed" in these countries.

How is this Mac news again?

I have figured it out.dems and republicans stir the pot ,we the people choose sides in a fixed battle.so while we battle each other they steal us (the country)blind.nice work if you can get it .where do I sign up?

@ Confuzed, Mark

I have a dear friend who is hostile to the whole notion of climate change and every time he talks about it, the first (and virtually only) thing he mentions is that he doesn't like the Hollywood types that pose as environmentalists, or other people whose actions are not consistent with their rhetoric.

And when he does that, I always say the same thing: That is not an argument against climate change, it is just switching to a new topic.

The reality is this: Climate change has been the subject of literally thousands of peer-reviewed scientific studies. There is virtually 100% agreement among real, independent scientists that it is real and that some substantial part of it is man-made. Going ostrich and ignoring this phenomenon won't make it go away.

As for the watermelons among us, in the last year I turned in the last of five BMWs and bought a Honda Fit because I think both climate change and our country's use of fossil fuels are serious national security issues. Somebody needs to change their habits and I figured it started with me.

@ Mark

Considering much of the wealth of western countries came from raping and pillaging the resources of non-western countries, perhaps it is reasonable that we should help pay to clean up some of the environmental mess we have created. And we're rich enough to help these countries clean up their industries and energy sector.

A cleaner world is good for everyone, regardless who pays for it.

Sep 03, 09 - 03:47 pm Comment from: TexasAg03

There is virtually 100% agreement among real, independent scientists that it is real and that some substantial part of it is man-made.

Not true, unless your definition of "substantial" is little to none.

Solar energy, water vapor, and urban expansion contribute more to elevated atmospheric temperatures than fossil fuels.

Since Verizon and I share similar views I shall be choosing Verizon as my next iPhone carrier - whenever that glorious day arrives.

Sep 03, 09 - 03:49 pm Comment from: HMCIV

Forget you crazy leftist conservative right-wing liberal radicaltarians and your nonconformist tea bag parties.

Zune Tang and I are throwing a Microsoft Windows 7 Launch Party!!! http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171407/microsoft_wants_people_to_throw_windows_7_launch_parties.html

Looking forward to some WinBags to go with our WinZip and WinAmp music.

Ottawa Mark,

Explain exactly where MDN's reasoned response shows evidence of "right wing paranoia," you doltish knee-jerk Lib.

Sep 03, 09 - 03:51 pm Comment from: Hm...

@ Ralph M

Well said. But this site isn't about logical argument, it's about political pandering and shouting down or insulting anyone who doesn't mindlessly agree. If I were more cynical, I'd say MDN is fomenting the simple-minded so as to generate high hit numbers for display to their advertisers. I guess the "Careless Caveat" applies:
“Never attribute to malice (or conspiracy) that which can be explained by mere incompetence.”

Only people who can't think for themselves believe the lie that any global change is because of humans. Take your head out of the sand and look at the facts. Global cooling (not warming) over the last 10 years. OH wait, now we have to call it global change instead of global warming because global warming doesn't fit anymore.

The same nuts that scream global warming now told us back in the early 70's that we were headed into the next ice age.

Here's just one fact for the wacko's to chew on.

Take a look at sun spot activity over the last several hundred years and compare it to the average temperature. What you find is that the average temperature went up and down following sun spot activity with one exception.

Hey, but there's big money to be made from beating the global warming, er global change, drum. Pres. B.O. wants to confiscate more of our earnings through the cap and trade scam.

Al Whore and President (or is it comrade) B.O. are in it for the money and ignore the real scientists. Something really stinks here.

Shen "Global Warming is a Scientific Fact". What?? You're kool-aid drinking is incredible. Do some research like I've been doing for 30 years. You do realize that global temperature have been in decline for 8 years right? So right now we're in a period of Global Cooling. That's a fact. You also realize that even the non Scientific IPPCC is forecasting continued cooling for at least another decade right? You also realize the a doubling of CO2 will only cause at most 1 degree rise in global temperatures? Do you realize that all scenarios of greater than that are based on computer models that are adjusted to cause more on purpose to gain additional funding? I know both righties and lefties can't think for themselves, but people, get some facts and understand that you're being manipulated by people who want to control your lives and there is no scientific basis for these claims.

The world has been much warmer than it is now in the recent past. Be scared of cooling not warming... because the cooling is coming faster than you want to know...

Sep 03, 09 - 03:56 pm Comment from: TheConfuzed1

I never denied that global warming exists.

I simply countered a ridiculous statement, in the same manner in which the first was delivered.

That being said, ecerynliving thing, be it person, plant, or animal, contributes to global warming in some way.

It was happening before we got here, and it will continue after we're gone.

Have we affected its pace? Of course we have; there are billions of us living on this planet! What do you suppose would happen to this planet if there were billions of cows?

What do you suggest we do? Unplug our lives, park our vehicles for good, stop eating, live in a cave, and criminalize human reproduction?

We all need to do our part to conserve resources, but let's leave the spin out of it, mmmmkay?

@TexasAg03

Yes, it is true. But rather than "I said, you said" let me refer you to this Wiki on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the international scientific body attempting to deal with this subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change

Let me use this to mention one more thing: Under George Bush, both the CIA and the Defense Department (neither to be mistaken for tree huggers) issued lengthy reports on the impact of climate change on our nation's security. The premise of these reports was that dangerous impacts were likely to begin in the next decade or two. If you read these reports, you might change your living habits, too.

Z nailed it - this fad is so 2008.

With all the absolutely depserate needs and very real present dangers in the world, the devotion of precious resources and manhours to the global warnming issue is at once both tragic and comical.

Sep 03, 09 - 03:58 pm Comment from: ron

I'll vote with Verizon. Global warming is cyclical.

@Ralph M

Way to go... You are right - we can all do something, and we should. Good on you.

@TheConfuzed1

Try and be less confused. What are you doing to reduce your own footprint on the planet?

mdn magic word = WORLD

Sep 03, 09 - 04:01 pm Comment from: TheConfuzed1

Forgive the typos. Blame it on the iPhone.

Sep 03, 09 - 04:02 pm Comment from: Noodlefarmer

Greg has it right. It's sunspots more than anything else. And now that we have some cooler weather it's no longer Global Warming, but Climate Change. We can all do more to keep the environment safer and cleaner, but this movement is no more than a redistribution of wealth with a lot of scam thrown in.

Down the road that will become clear.

Reminds me of how all the libtards loved drinking their bottled water. Only recently have they realized that a gazillion empty plastic bottles ain't a good thing.

Doing something just because it makes you think you are doing something noble doesn't mean you are.

Climate change is a scam.

Apple is involved how?

Sep 03, 09 - 04:08 pm Comment from: Toasty

Come on! Someone make this Obama's fault? I know you crazies can do it! Don't let me down!

Sep 03, 09 - 04:18 pm Comment from: Toasty

"Reminds me of how all the libtards loved drinking their bottled water."

I've really been trying to figure out what makes liberal and conservatives so different. It seems you have to be on one side other the other these days. So how does one know if they are one or the other? Well thanks to Noodlefarmer now we all have a definitive way to tell.

If you drink bottled water, you are obviously liberal and retarded! Congratulations on your diagnosis!

Sep 03, 09 - 04:18 pm Comment from: Islandgirl

OK, so where's the Mac news in this? I looked but couldn't find any.

"The rally guests include country music legend Hank Williams Jr., hard rocker Ted Nugent, singer-songwriter John Rich, and conservative pundit Sean Hannity."

Oh, nooowww I get it. Generating more clicks and talking up the event.

From time to time in my community, there are bake sales, car washes and appeals to help people who need an organ transplant to save their lives but who can't get one because they don't have health insurance. Can I put a notice here for those, too?

Listen I am from West Virginia and sadly I lived about 20 minutes from where this thing is going down. Yes it is an anti-left, anti-global warming rally. Don Blankenship has fault global warming reform for years. His company just paid a 20 million dollar fine to the EPA for coal spills into the streams and creeks. Yes Don Blankenship has bought most Republican Law Makers in this state. So yeah it is kind of a big deal. I like MDN, if they want to stay neutral that's fine, if they want to support The right wing that is another.

Sep 03, 09 - 04:26 pm Comment from: Cowboy

First sign that an individual doesn't really have a point to make - calling names and casting blame (unsupported by anything but hypothetical evidence).

First sign that an individual is ignorant - ignoring science and the majority opinion because it doesn't support their political views.

Sep 03, 09 - 04:27 pm Comment from: ndelc

"There is virtually 100% agreement among real, independent scientists that it is real and that some substantial part of it is man-made."

Ummm, no there isn't. What about the 600+ scientists, members of the IPCC, who went to the UN in April to refute many of the claims supporting global warming. And don't make the (automatic, unsubstantiated) claim that they're merely saying this because they're being paid by "big business". That's ridiculous, and if you want to go there, I could make the same (unsubstantiated) claim about the scientists who believe that global warming is real, and say that they're being paid by the large environmental groups. Neither of us could prove it, so it's a waste of time.

The bottom line is, the combination of bad modeling (which has been overwhelmingly wrong over the last 20 years) and misuse of scientific data, we can, at the very least, say that the debate is NOT over.

I attended the first Earth Day back in 1970 and have an autographed copy of Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance" on my shelf. And even I've become increasingly skeptical of the certainty that is AGW. Ralph M's claim of "virtually 100% agreement" on the issue is bunk. That claim is parroted by many who are NOT experts in the field, and there's plenty of evidence that the "accepted truth" is simply wrong.

The Markey-Waxman climate bill is, to put it bluntly, a truly awful piece of legislation with the potential to do incalculable damage to the economy (and not just of the US) - all in the hope that it *might* reduce global temperatures a fraction of one degree over 50 years.

Sep 03, 09 - 04:52 pm Comment from: since1985

The Great Global Warming Swindle (DVD)
http://tinyurl.com/nbcsxh

Raimond in DC, what you told it's true. There's not any consensus among scientists, not even inside the IPCC itself. The consensus only exists in some biased media that keeps parroting certain opinions that are produced by politicians and not by scientists. Climate change is a reality. It always has been, and it will always be a reality. Has the man the power to control climate or is the main responsible for climate change? No one knows and there is not any single peer review article that states this as truth. Real data tends to dismiss this thesis. Sorry for my english. I've been studying climate change (pleistocene and holocene) since 1995. My opinion is shared with hundreds of other climate scientists.

"Follow the money" and you know everything about global warming. All those leftist environmental groups, of course. But what about the worldwide Third World help industry? Or the UN himself, always in need of more and more money? Or all those chique international organisations of third class scientists in need of better pay and a real supercumputer?

Boys & Girls! Climate is ALWAYS changing. It’s never stagnant. It’s going up... It’s going down... Don’t tell the big lie that the ‘sky is falling’ We all want a cleaner environment but any body with a brain won’t drink the radical ‘cool aid’

Sep 03, 09 - 05:00 pm Comment from: Touch

May I ask... How is all this related to Apple?

Where´s the beef?

Well, I don't know much about either side, but the conservative side seems to be pretty adamant that there is no such thing as global warming and that only pussy libs believe in it...

Well, I ain't no pussy... I'm going with the cons... If the Earth isn't in danger, then bring it on! More coal, More oil, More gas, More pollution, More garbage, More smog, More chemicals, More poison, more everything! The Earth will survive!

I'm guessing the Earth's inhabitants will somehow survive too, otherwise the cons would be all for cleaning up the environment rather than against it, regardless of the global warming issue.

Sep 03, 09 - 05:03 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

MDN ... yea, not sure how this is a "Mac Story"

But at least you do present it in a fashion befitting Academic Journalism

Thanks for that ...


Will let all you "experts" argue +/-'s of Climate Change

But as I always say ... if you think it's horseshit, no problem

Just put your money where your mouth is

Move to Florida, get house on water - real close, right up next to the surf

Then check back with us in 50 to 100 years and let's see how you're doing, ok ? ...


Now, what DO want to talk about

This West Virginia Woodstock ... has me all excited

Rich of "Big and Rich" ... he's gonna be there, far out

Will Cowboy Troy also make an appearance ?

And perhaps be on Stage at same time with Hannity ?

Maybe they can sing a duet together - Ebony and Ivory



BC

I have new found respect for Verizon!

Somebody needs to stand up to these Green extremists!

Call your congressmen and tell them to vote NO on Cap&Trade;!!
The money you save will be your own!!

Sep 03, 09 - 05:21 pm Comment from: Scot Murphy

Is there any other reason to post this than hit-whoring?

Please watch this movie. It is pure fact and also beautiful to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

Sep 03, 09 - 05:24 pm Comment from: Ottawa Mark

I agree this isn't a Mac story AT ALL, but while we're at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massey_Energy#Controversy

Sep 03, 09 - 05:31 pm Comment from: cartoonasaur

OMG!! An imperfect list! From a biased source!
So, you prefer a different biased list? The one from the iPCC suits you, hm?
LMAO!

Consdering that all the "STUPID" people are breeding, it will be their room temperature IQ offspring that will suffer from the effects of a warming planet more than anyone else. Can't say they don't deserve everything to get.

How much more evidence do these dimwits need before they get it? Same losers who are screaming their idiotic drivel at these town hall meetings about health care.

No doubt these morons are decended from the "Flat Earth" crowd.

The GOP.... Party of the ARROGANT MORON.

rolleyes, if you weren't a dummy what do you wanted to be?

let's see...

A Sean Hannity-attended event that is being biliously defended by the wing-nuts that frequent this site who would just as blindly hold the opposite viewpoint if that had been puked forth by Rush et al...

...has nothing to do with Apple...

MDN is getting sad

ironically, the "MDN magic word" was "think," which is something that a lot of the wing nuts need to do more of

Sep 03, 09 - 05:53 pm Comment from: james73

MDN,

This is the very reason why I don't, and won't purchase anything via add on this site. Why is this here? Oh yeah, to push your nonsensical conservative agenda which has nothing to do with daily news about apple inc. you may get impression rev, which is fine cause you should get paid for my site visits. However, I won't and never will participate in getting you larger revenue via affiliate purchases.

Cheers

Sep 03, 09 - 06:10 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

"The reality is this: Climate change has been the subject of literally thousands of peer-reviewed scientific studies. There is virtually 100% agreement among real, independent scientists that it is real and that some substantial part of it is man-made. Going ostrich and ignoring this phenomenon won't make it go away."

100% agreement? You sir are a looney. There is no way, no shape, no form 100% agreement that there is "global warming" nor "significant man made global warming".

Several major fallacies in your post:
1. real, independent scientists" There is nothing independent about scientists who are paid to continue the global warming propaganda agenda. It's heavily funded. Those that support this agenda have a huge pool of money to draw from. This is in no way, no shape, no form independent science. Nor are those that argue in favor of this point "real" and those that argue against it "fake".
2. "some substantial part of it is man-made." absolutely, utterly false.
3. "Going ostrich and ignoring this phenomenon won't make it go away." angrily claiming there is unilateral warming trend in the billions of years old cycle of climactic change in the planet earth, or that this is suddenly being caused by man, is utter lunacy based on the slim bits of evidence we have from such a tiny fraction of time, and angrily posed proclamations backed by economically compromised "scientists" does not make it fact.

Bottom line is we don't really understand global climactic conditions, and the idea that we can or do is fallacy, and intellectual bankruptcy.

The sad thing is we are doing a lot of damaging things to the environment. Farming in the rain forest, that permanently depletes the rain forest for a few years of farming. Damaging chemical run off into water ways and streams. Pollution of the air in large cities by automobiles and factories that creates heavy particles that lower people's health and well-being. These are just a few issues we should pay attention to, but they are being drowned out by this lunatic issue over global warming.

It just makes my head hurt.

Sep 03, 09 - 06:13 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

james73 However, I won't and never will participate in getting you larger revenue via affiliate purchases.

Here, you must have come here by mistake, let me help you out!

http://www.dailykos.com/

My pleasure.

Sep 03, 09 - 06:18 pm Comment from: HughB

Just brilliant discourse here. I am awed by the thoughful arguments put forth. Our founding fathers would be proud to see what intelligent people populate this board. I feel I am not worthy, I fear I can't contribute anything that has not been elegantly stated already. Cheeses folks!!! Think.