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Nov 21, 07 - 02:05 pm Comment from: Ampar

Mike Lanma in 2008:
"Thank you for your order. Please drive to the next window."

Nov 21, 07 - 02:15 pm Comment from: kenh

Well you know that middle school girls most important reason for picking a particular cell phone is what it looks like and easy texting, so..................can you blame Verizon for pandering to that incredibly important market?

Yes, I am a middle school teacher.

Nov 21, 07 - 02:24 pm Comment from: shiftOpt k

wonder if/when Apple with pursue any legal action on LG for this phone… it's clearly a rip-off.

verizon just keeps getting lamer and lamer… sigh

Nov 21, 07 - 02:24 pm Comment from: MadMac

How cheezy!!! They even try to copy the iCal icon to make one think they are looking at an iPhone.

I almost feel sorry for these saps!

Nov 21, 07 - 02:25 pm Comment from: JadisOne

These cats will never get it.

Nov 21, 07 - 02:33 pm Comment from: Gregg Thurman

The mistake cell phone manufacturers are making is the keyboard. They can't get it in their heads that a keyboard isn't required but for a few applications, and only then when you are using those applications. The iPhone's keyboard disappears when it isn't required.

Nov 21, 07 - 02:34 pm Comment from: dallas

"How cheezy!!! They even try to copy the iCal icon to make one think they are looking at an iPhone.

I almost feel sorry for these saps!"

Look at the phone again. They also copied the iTunes and iMovie 06 icons.

Nov 21, 07 - 02:59 pm Comment from: Jim - TIV

I did a search of the net for images of this thing. The icon you think is copying imovie 06 is actually a calculator and doesn't look like iMovie 06 in a closer inspection. The calender, bluetooth, and music icons are a direct rip off of iCal, Bluetooth, and iTunes though.

Nov 21, 07 - 03:00 pm Comment from: Triumph the Insult Comic Dog

Sometimes, when I squint really, really, hard, I can see all de way to de verizon. And let me tell you -- de view is really perfect . . .

FOR ME TO POOP ONNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL - having got an iPhone anything less than using the fantastic web experience on it seems a step back by 15 years.

These people havent a clue.

Nov 21, 07 - 03:01 pm Comment from: gzero

This coming from Scott Moritz? Wow.

Nov 21, 07 - 03:07 pm Comment from: Eric

"Alternatively, if you want a true Internet device with a real browser and fast Net access anywhere, keep up the good search."

"MacDailyNews Take: iPhone, bitch! Search result found."

I love my iPhone, but I flatly disagree with MDN's take here... the EDGE network sucks balls, and not in a good, pop-a-nut way either... Yes, the iPhone is a true internet device... Yes, it has a real browser... but NO, it does not have fast 'net access "anywhere."

The face with it's line up of icons should be yet another item Apple sues the pants off of.

However, Apple is extremely smart.
They know they ain't being up staged by any of these competitors and the more knock off their are the more Apple shines.

When a knock off does come close... Apple will leap forward with a newer model... staying infront of the pack.

That is the innovators advantage.

Only when Apple starts to lose market share to the competitors will we see lawsuits emerge.

3G Apple and unlocked service will come to USA when Google gets their right to buy the 700 Mhz band.

See ya in May 2008 when all goes even better for Apple.

Nov 21, 07 - 03:13 pm Comment from: cogitoergomac

Spock, this is the network you want to tie to the iPhone?

Eric, sorry to disagree, but I get quite good performance on EDGE. Do I wish it was faster? Sure, who doesn't want al net access faster? But the balance of battery life and network speed on my iPhone is probably good enough for now. "Sucks balls"? Apart from your need to use vulgarity in place of discourse, I would say that it is a bit of an exaggeration. The other day, I used my iPhone to register on a secure electronic data room during due diligence of an acquisition, while receiving email on multiple accounts. I took time out to make a restaurant reservation for a restaurant I found using Google search, and then returned to reviewing multiple documents in the data room. I snapped a pic in a store of an item my wife and I are considering and sent it to her. Then, I bought movie tickets on Fandango [well optimized for the iPhone] and ordered my brother's birthday present at Amazon. Gee, maybe it does pop a nut. Or maybe you just need a reality check. I dunno, count me happy with my phone and generally pleased with my network.

I've been with Verizon for 7 years.

I'll be opting out at the end of my contract in 2008.

Guess which phone I'll be going with?

I'll give you a hint. It begins with an "i".

I'm tired of Verizon being so far behind the curve on the new technology.

Nov 21, 07 - 03:22 pm Comment from: BustingTheSkullsOfIdiots

Here is how geeks argue: "This new device sux!" Then they buy one and say, "This new device sux because it can't do this or that!" Then the manufacturer makes it do this or that. Then they complain, "This device sux because it's old!"

The geek is the male equivalent of the PMSing woman. Unfortunately, geeks are that way ALL the time, not just occasionally.

Mike Lanma in 2008:

"Would you like fries with that ?"

Man, this thing is really ugly.......

Nov 21, 07 - 03:57 pm Comment from: gusnyc

Please check out Verizon's webpage comparing the Vogager to different objects, like a deck of cards, post-it, and even an iPod... but they are using a 3rd generation one!!! (the model with the row of buttons on top) Isn't that something?

That is the place where Verizon is technologically... 4 years behind in the past!

I wonder why they are not comparing this killer with the iPhone... mmmhhhhh...

Ridiculous.

Nov 21, 07 - 04:19 pm Comment from: Eric

@cogitoergomac..

I just did a test of EDGE speeds compared to Wi-FI visiting MDN's home page three times over EDGE, and three times over my home Wi-Fi, and here are my results. Note that I turned the iPhone off and restarted it between each test to be sure the cache was cleared. Note that I am getting 5 bars of signal strength from AT&T;, and

First the EDGE results (in seconds): 74, 138, 102.

Wi-Fi results (in seconds): 11, 15, 34.

Those numbers were a bit wild, which I attribute to MDN's arguably abusive amount of advertising, so I decided to do a second series of tests with a website that is ad free and known to be very speedy, Folklore.org.

EDGE (in seconds): 24, 23, 23

Wi-Fi (in seconds): 1, 2, 1

The rounded average for MDN over EDGE is 134 seconds, and over Wi-Fi, 20 seconds. For Folklore.org over EDGE, I get 23 seconds, whilst over Wi-Fi, it is only 1 second.

So, 6 times slower over EDGE for MDN (which is already annoyingly slow), but a stunning 23 times slower over EDGE for Folklore.org.

By my standards, that means that EDGE's performance, at least where I live, sucks balls.

Nov 21, 07 - 04:52 pm Comment from: cogitoergomac

@Eric: Whoa, stop the presses! OMG! You are effin' kidding me? WiFi is speedier than EDGE. Who the heck would've thought that? Geez, Eric, you deserve the Nobel prize. Especially for taking so much time to prove the obvious.

C'mon, please tell me you are not in a job that requires intellectual work, No kidding. WiFi trounces EDGE. Heck, Eric, WiFi in my home trounces ANY phone's network. I'l bet that's why Apple set up the phone to prefer WiFi over EDGE. What do you think?

WiFi kicks butt on both my Sprint and Verizon EVDO cards, too. So effing what? What does proving that WiFi is faster prove? Wait, wait, I know: it proves that Apple was smart to have both. It DOESN'T prove anything about EDGE's relative merits versus other networks. As I said before, would I like EDGE to be faster? Absolutely.

You want a real comparison, use the same phone on multiple networks to see if EDGE truly "sucks balls," to use the vernacular you seem to prefer. Maybe it does, but in the meantime, STFU until you have something meaningful to say. In the meantime, I'll keep using my phone to get work done, thanking Apple for making something worthy of the Mac platform.

Nov 21, 07 - 05:55 pm Comment from: Eric

@cogitoergomac,

Dude... Seriously... You don't need to be a total fucking asshole about it...

I was merely replying to your comment directed specifically at me, by attempting, feeble though it may have been, to make my point that EDGE "sucks balls" (aka, TOO slow) in my opinion and in my experience, though I would not part with it for any current competing product, 3G or otherwise... since all the current competing phones suck balls pretty much all around.

So, yes, the iPhone wins hands down, but it's not perfect either, but with it's one major flaw being the EDGE network, it's and acceptable tradeoff.

Nov 21, 07 - 05:59 pm Comment from: Eric

Oh, and I had T-Mobile before switching to the iPhone... EDGE there sucked balls too (to use the vernacular that I prefer). In fact, it was probably noticeably slower than EDGE on AT&T;, at least where I bothered to use it, which was out of sheer desperation, since the T-Mobile phone only had a WEP browser, which sucks not just balls, but also totally sucks ass (to use the vernacular I prefer :p< )

Nov 21, 07 - 06:30 pm Comment from: Ampar

" . . . at least where I live, sucks balls."

That's a bad thing? Seriously? If so, someone was doing you wrong. Were braces involved?

It's yet another case of the CARRIERS dictating to the HANDSET MANUFACTURERS what is good for the user. They wouldn't know cool if it hit 'em in the face. Can't anyone see that the carriers are the culprits here? Handset manufacturers typically have their hands tied SO HARD behind their backs because of the tyrannical carriers, that even if a handset manufacturer had a great idea, it would never see the light of day because some marketing manager at the carrier didn't dream it up first. Good for Apple for telling AT&T;(yeah I know) to sit down, shut up, and take the iPhone as-is. If other handset manufacturers can do that with other carriers, we'll all win.

Nov 21, 07 - 07:41 pm Comment from: Nosrac

Man. That looks fat...

Nov 21, 07 - 08:06 pm Comment from: Eric

@Ampar...

Good point... See, a REASONABLE person, not a tight-ass, can make a good point... so, not sucks balls, but how about bited balls... ow, ow, ow... That hurts just writing it!

@BustingTheSkullsOfIdiots

hahahahaha u have nailed it on the head. geeks are such malcontents.

Nov 21, 07 - 09:27 pm Comment from: Mr Hinky Dink

Apple changing the world again. It's not about making something better that the iPhone, but the fact that companies are following Apple is great. Soon the touch screen technology will be just 'out there' and watching Star Trek won't be as much fun anymore.

"'[...] if you want a true Internet device with a real browser and fast Net access anywhere, keep up the good search.'

MacDailyNews Take: iPhone, bitch!">

Uh, he said fast Net access. Bitch.

THE TRUTH:
http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com
Verizon's Voyager! - Now an iPhune Killer!
The news for Apple and the iPhoney just gets worse and worse!
First we release the iPod Killer, Zune2, with FM radio!
THEN:
Verizon announces the LG Voyager phone! Mobile Magazine says:

"Remember how Verizon passed on the iPhone? That's because the LG Voyager might even be better. It also has a large external touchscreen, but when you open the phone laterally, a QWERTY keyboard emerges for text entry. Key features include high-speed wireless broadband, a web browser, music player, and microSD expansion."
Best of all it is driven by a proven OS, Windows Mobile! No playing on the screen with your fingers, we treat you like an adult.

Apple is on the ropes! They are down! They are out! It's over! It's over!

Nov 22, 07 - 01:33 am Comment from: TowerTone

Bon Voyager!!
Enjoy the trip to Never, Never Land.....

Why are you crapping on Verizon? Maybe iphone isn't the answer when you can only use it with one carrier.

Nov 22, 07 - 04:47 pm Comment from: Crabapple

@ Troy, Go to Germany, by yourself a contract free iphone then get yourself a sim card for any other provider you want, or even use youe existing one.

See how you like it after a couple of months.......the charges, that is

Hey, if the iPhone were not on ATT (I get ZERO service in my neighborhood - which is 15 miles outside of Boston for god's sake) I would have one. But, it is on ATT, so I am waiting on my Voyager to be delivered instead.

I am a long-time Apple geek, but cool features on a crappy network makes no sense to me. The VZW ED VO network is not blazing, but it works well almost anywhere I go.

Sure, it''s not a true smartphone. The email client is limited, it has no wifi, no support for office docs that I can see. But who really cares? Those things are why I have a MacBook Pro, which runs well using my VZW USB card as well.

So, I will be able to make calls, chat, manage my pop mail accounts, use the GPS service, watch live tv, and the other cool features. And maybe when my 2-year contract is up, AT&T;will figure out how to get their service to well populated areas near major cities and speed up their slower data network????

Happy thanksgiving weekend everyone.

Bob

Nov 24, 07 - 09:24 am Comment from: ppcx

I have a crackberry 7100i which lives on a Nextel iDEN network and its data speeds are horrible. I have Google Maps downloaded on it and watching the data download (it keeps a running tally of how much data it has downloaded over the course of that particular google maps "session" to help you keep track of possible data charges), the map info downloads about the same speed as my old 56K modem back in the day. That works out to be about 5-6KB/sec.

I would love to get the derided 100-200Kbps that the EDGE network provides. I haven't seen that kind of speed comparison.

Nov 24, 07 - 01:57 pm Comment from: NCIceman

LG Voyager looks like iPhone's fat, dumpy, wannabe cousin. There really is a difference between engineering and copying. I wonder how may iPhones LG bought and disassembled for this project...

I agree with Bob. FINALLY someone who makes sense and is thinking clearly. What good is a phone if it doesn't have the best network? Verizon Wireless said thanks but no thanks to the iphone for a reason....

Nov 25, 07 - 08:53 am Comment from: Hackintosh

I've seen better fake iPhones in Malaysian soup kitchens. I've had the 'opportunity' to use both of these and the LG, really, is a cheap copy. The interface is ugly and clunky, where as the iPhone, as we all know, is sleek, stylish and functional. To be honest I can't comment on the web functionality and network features (not including voice calls) of the LG because I've only had a chance to use the web features on the iPhone, unlike some of the other commenters.

Nov 29, 07 - 02:08 am Comment from: hoodedbeagle

IPhone killer it isn't! I love my Mac and would own an IPhone if I didn't hate the phone company they went with so much. I dumped AT&T;years ago because of bad coverage and lousy customer service. So, that leaves the IPhone want to be with Verizon. I've messed with the IPhone and agree it's features are better but I refuse to go back to AT&T;. The Voyager isn't a bad phone, it doesn't have the ease of use of the IPhone or the greatest touch screen but I guess i'll wait until Apple's exclusive 5 year contract is up with AT&T;, no Cingular, no AT&T;or whoever the hell they call themselves tomorrow.
Let's face it you all knew someone would have to compete with them. Apple has chosen to limit their market share and that's fine. I do like that I can get a new battery on my own and not be without the phone. I already have an IPod and it has way more songs, videos and movies than the IPhone can hold so that really isn't a selling feature for me. I would like to have the ability to sync to my Mac but oh well!

Well this phone is not suppose to be a smart phone so it is not supposed to look like a smartphone. Your just jealos cause verizon had a better idea then at&t;or what ever or apple whatever you want to call it.

i have to give it to apple but dude the price for the iphone is way to much, thats the ONLY good thing about the voyager. otherwise iphone is sick

Just because its a touch screen with icons doesnt mean its a rip off. And the Voyager isnt aimed to be a "smartphone" so you cant say that it sucks because it doesnt have a PDA. Its like saying the RAZR sucks because it doesnt have PDA.

So what do any of you who despise the voyager suggest for those who do not have the option of switching to at&t;? Such as students.

OK, it's been month with my Voyager, so i thought I would pass on my thoughts.

What I like:
-touchscreen works very well, love the "electric" feel when screen is touched.
-phone call screen is very usable and calls sound great
-Camera performs well above what I expected it to
-Love the MicroSD slot
-love the navigation software
-Chat options are strong (Yahoo, AIM and Windows live) and very easy to use with the full qwerty keyboard
-Tons of games and video options through verizon, games play well on the phone.

What I don't like:
-Very disappointed that the Verizon MobileTV function that was sold to me is not yet available pretty much anywhere. it will kick ass, if it ever goes live.
-it's a little awkward going back and forth between the touch screen and the internal keyboard-no wifi, it would make this a huge winner
-bad integration between apps (e.g. contacts and text/email) overall I just dislike the way contacts are handled.
-really had to be creative to get the Voyager to coordinate with macbook, certainly not plug and play...

Overall, I am not totally in love with the phone, but love most of the functionality enough to make me very happy with the purchase. After rebates, the phone was $200, not too bad. 6gb microsd card was another $75. I do recommend the phone for those who for whatever reason can't go with the iPhone.

Bob

The Voyager is far superior to the iphone in every aspect. Dual screens, full keyboards. Far more fuller bodied features. It's silly to say it falls short. You say this, and you are biased.

This article also lacks more direction, and focus (obviously) on the browsing 'aspects.'

"wonder if/when Apple with pursue any legal action on LG for this phone… it's clearly a rip-off.

verizon just keeps getting lamer and lamer… sigh"
one question...ever heard of the lg prada?

uhh, just because its touchscreen doesnt mean verizon was trying to copy the iphone. now sprint has the instinct and noone says sprint was trying to copy the iphone. the instinct is more like the iphone than the voyager! come on, the voyager is soo different than the iphone, it flips open! and also the lg prada was one of the first touchscreen phones to come out, i believe.