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"vista has a new search function, look ill call up microsoft word...oh, it called up wordpad" lol - i prefer expose to having to scroll through the windows in aero.

This just gets more and more sad.

That new help (where it takes you through how to do something step by step) is great. I remember when Apple used that way back in OS 8 or 9! Microsoft innovates again!

Why don't Microsoft just give up on this Vista crap, and fix XP.

If 6-year old XP, with all its security problems, still gets a 90% share of all new computers sold today, then you MUST understand that Vista will be regarded by Joe Windows Sufferer as the greatest thing since slice bread. Apple better sell all the hardware it can over the next 12 months because its going to get ugly after that.

Vista. Because you don't know any better, and you wouldn't care it you did.

I bet the guy in the video knows Vito of the Soprano's if you know what i mean.

Oh and Vista blows chunks.

It still looks and feels like Windows. Now with lots of layered This and That with no thought-out purpose other than "Keeping up the the Jobses."

area glass looks terrible when you have sto scroll thru the windows, unlike expose where you just click on the window you want... yep, I agree Andy.

As MDN put's it. It's a backwards upside down copy of OSX.
Piece of crap.
LOL...

I thought the "Parade" effect of open applications was kind of cool looking..

In unrelated news, Microsoft announced that it will begin testing its new "hypervisor" virtualization software by the end of the year. Let's see if the rumors that OS X Leopard will include a hypervisor pan out at WWDC. This story caught my eye because the code name for Microsoft's virtualization tools is "Viridian". I sincerely hope that no one here will accuse me of working to further Redmond's cause. Maybe I should sue. Anybody have the phone numbers of the sharks who included Jason Tomczak in the iPod nano class action against his wishes? I'd like to sic them on Gates and Ballmer just for the hell of it.

it does make me sick when you see the blatent copying that micosoft continues to take from apple.

the interface ques, the widgets, the search concepts.

the only thing is that apple will continue to innovate and microsoft will continue to copy.

people are going to get so sick of being interupted by all those pop ups to verify access that people are going to turn them off. and again well see the viruses infiltrate the system.

And if its so secure, why do microsoft need to have a proprietary subscription-based security software implemented to protect their own customers?

Man, that's hilarious. With everything that popped up, all I could think was, 'Hey, I've had that in OSX for ages, where it's done better. Huh.'

Seriously, I cannot think of anything at this time that would make me consider using a Windows PC again.

Why would I want all kinds of miscellaneous 'gadgets' cluttering up my desktop?

That's the great thing about Dashboard...I can make them appear and disappear anytime I want...otherwise I'd have this huge Weather Radar taking up half my desktop.

well, that was 5 minutes of my life totally wasted.

Gee, I am soo frigging UNDERhwhelmed!

The fact is that VIsta will catch MS up to Apple, or get close to it. Mainstream consumers will eat it up, and if MS can get the viruses under control, then the OS war will be essentially over, and MS will have won. That's why it is super important right now for Apple to gain as much marketshare as they can over this Christmas.

sorry macwizards, but windows owenrs are going to see vista and say "wow!" and (who needs and apple).


leopard needs to leapfrog way, way, way ahead if it is going to bring windows users over to the mac (and keep current mac owners from defecting to new vista.)

How can someone actually giva a review of Vista with a straight face?


mw: approach - Vista is about to approach a new level of absurdity

how many times did the cnet reporter say "cool"...?
not good news for apple.
snipe all you want, but the average window´s person is going to be impressed with apple-like eye candy. wonder how many new iLife-type apps microsoft has been secretly working on that they will include?

Amazing the number of PC trolls who feel the need to frequent Mac websites and make lame comments on the boards. They must feel insecure or something.

When I show Windows users OS X Widgets, the response I get from some is, "...Oh I've heard VISTA will be able to do that...". The implication being that they'll just wait for Windows to do it and then everything will be ok again.

Poor folks.

Sony will create its own OS that will incorporate... Oh no! - the doctors want to talk to me again again. No more posting tonight...

Being that this BETA of Vista will have a larger install base than OS X which has been out for years, one must wonder who the real success story is.

Heehehhahahayukyukyuk

This is Windows for the NEXT FIVE YEARS??!!??!!???

Remember, if you want all of the Vista goodies (I can't believe I said Vista & Goodies in the same sentence) You have to buy an expensive computer.

A $300 Dell will not do Vista justice.

Those cheap, Windows buying bastards will not like Vista Lite.

I have no idea why the cnet editor seemed to be impressed by the so-called new features of vista. They may be new and even novel from the very narrow Windows point of view, but they are nothing new at all and more importantly one can use these features right away either free of charge or with the existing non-premium hardware. For instance, go get "gadgets" from konfabulator, google desktop, and even the very cool active program selector from "topdesk". None of these existing features requires new hardware to run. I feel so sad about Microsoft as they are either so blind and deaf of what others really have advanced, or so stupid to fool those who were even more stupid than they are. What a waste of capital it is for just copying what others have done.

The only thing I thought cool that they did not show was the Windows Meeting Space - mentioned in the earlier review.

Whoever said that Apple was going to have a harder time AFTER vista comes out is dead wrong. This should make it clear to everyone that microsoft at its best is still horrible.

Do not expect too much from Leopard. The fact is that Apple only had slightly over a year to develop it and couldn't find anyone to copy from. However, since Apple releases OSs more frequently than Microsoft, I would expect the following release of Mac OS X to take once again a significant lead over Vista and keep it for another four years.

As a recent Switcher I think I am in a good position to comment...

I am so pleased I ditched M$. OS X has been a revelation. It just works! It works so well I am hardly aware of it leaving me to concentrate on doing work.

Before I switched I had every intention of using bootcamp and installing windows...er..well I've knocked that idea on its head. I can hardly bring myself to boot my windows desktop. Its just so facking ugly.

Vista just looks like a shit copy of OS X. I shall not be buying Vista at all. No, instead I'll be ditching my windows boxes and replacing them with Intel PowerMac replacements as soon as they are released.

Vista shall not find a place in my home.

did anyone else stop watching after the "expose" feature? it will never be as quick as expose because...ta da!...expose doesn't give you a list with a set order to scroll through. even if you can go backwards and forwards in it, there will always be a "hardest" window to reach, which happens to be the (number of windows)/2 window away from your current one.

god damnit microsoft, you can't even copy what has become such a mundane and required feature to mac users.

ugly, ugly, ugly

If I were responsible for controlling the standard operating environment of any sized organisation I would steer clear of Vista permanently (hard because CEO's like to one-up each other) for the following reasons (and why a Mac is a viable move):

• replacing all laptops and desktops to get sufficient RAM and VRAM is very expensive and disruptive
• training staff in the new interface
• providing staff with the Admin password (sure it stops viruses, but what happens when a legitimate app is refused a password - does it quit or freeze?). Plus you will get into the habit and enter the password automatically, even for viruses!
• stopping staff downloading widget viruses
• there is NO WAY you will stop using anti-virus/spam/pop-up/firewall software
• many old apps are bound to break and never be updated
• I don't want more to learn
• the help system shows you how to perform the 5-step tasks rather than doing the 5-step task for you
• it does NOTHING to aid the productivity of a staff member over what they currently have

I estimate it will sell well to consumers only, but will NEVER be installed on > 50% of corporate PCs and that Win 2000 & XP will be the last corporate OS (until they move to MacOS!) ever.

Why are Macs a better alternative?
• they are reliable (cost is secondary to corporations)
• they can be rebuilt to a MacOS SOE and then personalised more quickly
• they can run XP (the last corporate OS) and if it dies it is very easy to rebuild
• they are cool for the CEO's 17" laptop, and it looks REALLY cool if you take your customers through your office full of iMacs
• All the great Mac software

I'd rather use Expose or even Command-Tab to select the app/window I need -- that "area glass" or whatever it was looks weak.

Computer gurus and those who do "Windows training" are going to make a mint as folks have to unlearn old habits. As well as the Dells and HPs of the world when people have to go out and buy brand new computers that can support Vista when Micro$oft discontinues XP support within the next two years. (My dad-in-law is still dealing with upgrading to XP, as M$ is no longer supporting Win2K.)

Call this operating system Olestra -- like the fake fat, it may act as good as OS X, but after a while, you end up with cramps and an urge to run for the bathroom...I'll stick with the Real Thing, thank you very much...

MW=middle; "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you..."

Just like XP, icons appear to have been designed by a Japanese anime studio.

This is an MS version of OS X beta.

So what is new and what is cool? Nothing. We have seen this all before in a much more elegant piece of software. It was called whatever Apple named their first iteration of OS X!!!

MS providing you with yesterday's OS today.

macromancer: "Amazing the number of PC trolls who feel the need to frequent Mac websites and make lame comments on the boards. They must feel insecure or something."

amazing the number of mac trolls who feel the need to call names to anyone who says something that is not ass-kissing positive about apple or not dumptruck trashing windows. they must feel insecure or something.

macromancer.

this will be a closed casket funeral, go AAPL

Some of the PC trolls' comments make sense and they are correct. The great unwashed PC masses will see Vista and be unaware of OS X (yes, they are that close-minded) and think Vista is the greatest since sliced bread.

Once markets are mature and established nothing but an outside 3rd force (govt. intervention, new market changing technology) can alter them. Microsoft has 95% of the market; Apple 3%.
It will be nearly the same 5 years from now.

Hey there, billy, you got a stutter?

BTW, full translucent windows make me physically ill.

Why CNET didn't do that with Mac OS X ? Why did they avoid saying "pretty cool" to Mac OS X ?

Man - I gotta have it - right now!!!

My MacBook Pro will look so cool running Vista.

Apple needs to advertise OS X with the same commitment they advertise iPods with.

They need to have comparisons showing what 10.4 can do NOW with what Vista will do LATER. They need to show you can get those same features on a $500 Mac mini instead of having to buy a souped up $1000 plus PC box.

Those new PC vs Mac ads may be cute, but if they really want market share, Apple needs to be more aggressive.

We know how much more advanced OS X is, but we also know that the Windows lemmings are going to eat Vista up and pretend it's the best thing since the wheel.

Wouldn't it be funny if someone wrote a virus for Vista and its only purpose was to continually trigger the protection pop-up warning every 2 or 3 seconds until you wiped the HD? Well, that would be funny to me, at least.

LMFAO!!!!! IT SHOWS YOU HOW TO LOOK FOR DRIVERS


duuuuuuude... it's 2006, and you still have to do that YOURSELF.. SWEEET!!!!

30 years later.. BETTER GRAPHICS.. sweet!


UAP.. well, if i wasn't considering switching to Windows, I sure am now...

lmfao!!!! if MS learned ONE THING from the Internet Revolution...

PEOPLE LOVE POP-UPS

Why not just give Vista away for free and have ads built right into UAP?!

There's always going to be people who won't switch and will stick with Windows, and this will be the next big thing for them even as its ripped to shreds with viruses, exploits and other fun stuff.

Still, there are many (like me) who will stick to Apple's OS, because we have seen "Vista" when it was called OS X.

Even if Vista causes people to go out and upgrade hardware and software, Apple is in much better shape than it has been in a while (esp. mid to late 90's).

That's some high comedy right there. Vista really does show Msoft's difficulty in grasping user interface concepts. You know, like two clicks is actually better than four. Tough stuff like that. You know, tricky subtle hard to understand nuanced type human nature subtleties that lurk beneath the surface. Years of training and all that.

Oh, and when was the last time you heard a reviewer of OSX say, "…and this is going to be a problem for a while."? ROFLMHO

CNET is a bunch of Microsoft whores
they bend over to kiss their asses

'Why CNET didn't do that with Mac OS X ? Why did they avoid saying "pretty cool" to Mac OS X ?'

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Simple - It's because CNET takes back handers from M$.

They are biased towards their M$ masters.

Same as PC world Magazine, who compared beta Vista against OSX.

Gues who won - Vista, aparently because of all the software that will work on it - TOTAL BULLSHIT AND BIASED.