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I like speed.

If it's anything like the Safari 4 "speed", I'll pass.

Oooh, Snappier!

Jul 10, 09 - 11:56 am Comment from: Predrag

Spreading FUD, aren't we...?

Safari has been by far the fastest, most reliable, most crash-proof browser of all the browsers I had used in the last 13 years, both Windows and Mac. More importantly, it is significantly faster than previous version and noticeably faster than Firefox. And I use it on several different Intel Macs (C2D, and old CD).

If it's anything like Safari 4, SL promises to be a spectacular upgrade. Too bad it won't run on PPC; I have a G4 Cube that works great with Leopard and would have probably worked even greater with the SL. I guess it's time to let go of the old beauty...

If it's anything like the Safari 4 "speed", I'll pass.

What do you mean? Safari 4 is VERY fast once the beachball quits spinning!

Jul 10, 09 - 12:00 pm Comment from: blah blah blah...

@Safari4IsGarbage

sorry, you must be slumming it on a PC, because on a Mac this is by far the fastest web browser yet. And Snow Leopard is suppose to make it faster is insane.

can't wait to get SL on my systems, looks very promising!! I wonder what new iPhone features will be unleashed along side Snow Leopard?

I'm snappy
Hope you're snappy to oo oo

It really wasn't fair of me to say that. It's not really a beachball. It's just that pages take forever to load. They seem to get hung up and I have to click and reload, sometimes repeatedly, to get the entire page.

As much as I love all things Apple, I hate to admit it but currently Firefox 3.5 runs rings around Safari 4 on my brand new iMac. I hope Apple will make some changes very soon.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:09 pm Comment from: January 24, 1984

On a current MacPro, Safari is pretty damn fast.

It crashes about once a week. And I use it 6 hours a day non-stop.

Overall, a solid product.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:09 pm Comment from: Apelock

I have to say that the Safari 4 has been strangely slow and buggy for me.

One of the greatest things I loved about Macs in the pre-OS X days was the quick shutdown. These days I rarely shut down, but when I have to, I'm annoyed by how long it takes to quick all of the applications, log out and then shut down.

Snow Leopard is going to merge the world's best OS with some of the greatness of its noble predecessor... the previous Mac OS.

To those who find Safari 4 slow, try removing Flash.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:20 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

Safari 4.0.2 gets me two ways. It gets me very excited when it works as it is suppose to. It pisses me off when It hangs up on page loads and reloads. That being said, I for some reason am unable to update the firmware on my time capsule. So maybe that has something to do with it.

My internet connection this morning is great, Safari started off very slow and I was pretty pissed. The market started out good on my side and Safari was tanking. Now Safari is running great, I hope my stocks still are. Safari must have gulped down some nitro java.

jarrett

and if you assholes call me a troll I swear to god I will treat your mothers like bigger whores than your fathers treated them.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:25 pm Comment from: Roberto

Check the DNS in Network preferences.
Taking out the bad ones fixed it for us.

On my old G4 Duallie I have found Safari 4 to be pretty much faster, as advertised. But it was freezing, requiring a full reboot about once a week. Also a Safari 4 startup after a reboot took more than a minute.
I got the .02 download, and all the marginally bad stuff seems to have disappeared.
I'm waiting for Snow Leopard for my next desktop. I expect I'll buy my first laptop as soon as the mobil 32nm Nehalem chips are in the MacBook Pros. I don't really need an iPhone, but I may get one for the video, along with a small selection of apps.

I LOVE Snappy.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:32 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

@ Robeto,

That's what I thought to, only showing one DNS though.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:36 pm Comment from: Mr.Fergus

On my 2009 iMac I've had multiple crashes daily with Safari 4.0 and Safari 4.0.1, however 4.0.2 appears to have fixed the stability problems. Speed has not and is not now a problem with version 4. I would guess that older macs might be slower since most upgrades of late have been written with Snow Leopard and the computers it supports in mind. Safari is most definitely NOT garbage and the poster of that bit of wisdom is probable a pimple faced troll who stepped on his crank when he got out of bed today.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:47 pm Comment from: Macaday

jarrettdailynews,

Your comment is in very poor taste. Take your tattoo parlour language somewhere else please.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:47 pm Comment from: MrMcLargeHuge

@blah blah blah

I can attest that Safari 4 on PC is astoundingly fast too. There is a noticeable difference between it and Firefox 3.5

Jul 10, 09 - 01:05 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

@Macaday,

Who made you the moderator??? Besides, that was funny with a capitol F (U), and I know funny.

Settle down and quit being a killjoy.

Besides, I have never been to a tattoo parlor. I built houses for roughly 13 years, so that might have something to do with it.

Here is a good one..... What is the difference between a gay man and a refrigerator? The refrigerator doesn't fart when you pull the meat out..... ha ha

@MrMcLargeHuge

I have 2 laptops: a Toshiba Satellite running XP and a white MacBook running Leopard.
And while Safari 4 for Windows is not only incredibly slow but a memory hog (I use Firefox now and it's snappier), Safari 4 for Mac is THE fastest browser for any platform PERIOD.

Jul 10, 09 - 02:06 pm Comment from: Wingsy

J.Scott said "It really wasn't fair of me to say that. It's not really a beachball. It's just that pages take forever to load. They seem to get hung up and I have to click and reload, sometimes repeatedly, to get the entire page. "

Couple of possibilities:

1. Your Domain Name Server is hosed. For example, a while back Time Warner's Roadrunner "updated" the software in their DNS machines and it slowed my browsing to a crawl. Fixed that by manually entering a couple of free-to-the-public DNS IP numbers. You might want to look into that.

2. The sites you're visiting have so many ads, and the servers hosting those ads, are overloaded (just ask MDN about this). Not much you can do about that except reload and hope they serve you up a new random set of advertisers. You may also want to look into configuring your hosts file to block most of the advertising.

Really, it's not Safari's fault. Check the web for performance tests on Safari 4. It's the fastest on the planet. If it isn't for you then there's something else going on. (It sure is for me!)

Wingsy: I'm sure there is some truth in what you say. MDN has been notoriously cluttered and slow loading for a while now. However, I just ran a test loading this page in both Safari 4 and Firefox 3.5 after clearing the caches.

After a minute and a half I gave up and stopped loading with Safari 4. It had loaded 101 of 104 items with 4 errors. Firefox took 30 seconds. Still slow as molasses but comparatively much better.

Not all pages are slow. Just those that are junked up beyond belief with ads. Most load quickly with either browser. I think webmasters need to seriously reconsider their compromises before they completely turn off their visitors.

BTW, I LOVE MDN! I just hate the slow response I am getting these days.

The funniest thing for me is that Safari 4 will alway crash when ladoing the Apple Store page. 100% of the time. I've tried reinstalling the app, resetting everything, using another account. My wife's MB has no problem. Don't get it.

Jul 10, 09 - 02:40 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

@J. Scott,

Are you using dial up? Seriouly, if my browser takes more the 10 seconds loading a page I get upset. If it took 30 seconds or more, the Mrs. would need a steak for her eye. Not that it would be her fault, but I am blaming someone.

Jul 10, 09 - 02:47 pm Comment from: rattiemouse

Safari 4 is trash. I moved onto Firefox 3.5 and finally know what the word speed means.

Jul 10, 09 - 03:12 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

@ rattiemouse,

No sense in being a liar. Just tell us what really happened. I know, all the independent tests all over the net are just plain wrong about Safari being the fastest browser on the planet. Like me, it is something off about your system.

There has to be other issues for the peeps saying Safari 4 is dog slow. It's the fastest on my system MBP, noticebly faster than FF 3.5, i even ran the Sunspider Javascript benchmarks and Safari 4 won there too.

I would also suggest switching to OpenDNS for your DNS servers. just go to http://www.opendns.org and get the DNS addresses. it even shows you how to change them on your system.

Jul 10, 09 - 03:22 pm Comment from: rattiemouse

@jarrettdailynews


I used Safari 4 only on a PPC Mac. Maybe that has something to do with it. But it is certainly an awful browser compared to Firefox 3.5. I tried for a few weeks to use Safari 4 and it was PAINFUL. Once I moved to Firefox, it was like upgrading my entire computer. Blazing Speed.

Jul 10, 09 - 03:25 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

MDN can load as slow as it likes

As long as they keep giving us ads like that blonde up on the right

Sure peaks curiosity about the "game" we would "play now"

"My Lord"




BC

You mean Google CEO Eric Schmidt? He's on the left.

Jul 10, 09 - 03:34 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

@rattiemouse,

I just did a permissions verify and repair. Came back to this site and it is loading and reloading anywhere from 3 to 11 seconds. I am thinking this is pretty quick. No?

O.K. I GOING TO EAT CROW FOR ALL OF YOU!

Taking a cue from Wingsby and others I just went into my System Preferences and Network Settings and clicked on the settings for my ISP. I have no idea what got reset, but after I did that all of MDN's pages are opening fully and without error in about 5 seconds or less.

This corrected the slow loading in both Safari and Firefox. I hope this helps someone.

Jul 10, 09 - 03:48 pm Comment from: jarrettdailynews

@ Lord Robin,

Thank you, I now have new DNS'. With that said, after my permissions repair things are much better. Hopefully for my new MacBook Pro 13" things will be a whole lot snappier from here on out.

Jarrett

Jul 10, 09 - 04:18 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

Chrispy


Sorry, no

But, as The Scottish Conan Guy says ...

" Is a place up in West Hollywood where you can get googled "





BC

Jul 10, 09 - 04:37 pm Comment from: Urlow

Hmmm have been using safari 4 since 4.0 and crashed maybe once?? I use it several hours a day - 2 to 3 - so I think all you complaining about it crashing need to remove all your vintage plugins. I don't run any plugins, and the web is crazy fast.

Don't add any safari "enhancements" and you'l save yourself a lot of grief.....

Jul 10, 09 - 08:57 pm Comment from: Scot Murphy

@Macaday

"Tattoo parlour language"? I say! That sounds like a challenge! If it is fisticuffs you want, then it is fisticuffs you shall have!

While I got a lot of speed increase as described in my last post it proved to be hit or miss. I wound up finding this page in Apple Support discussions http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2034900&tstart=0 and changing my DNS settings as instructed there. That seems to have been the real key to success.

Jul 12, 09 - 09:05 am Comment from: mks1

Was reading Sunday and going crazy with everyone talking about how fast their Safari 4 was running. I was one bothered with slow loading on a roadrunner cable account. I took the advice and loaded the free DNS servers and the difference is amazing. Thank you all for the advice. I am now actually enjoying my browser expierence again.

Jul 12, 09 - 03:43 pm Comment from: toby

Can I get a definition on snappier? I keep on hearing about it, but I haven't quite seen it.

it sounds snappier but does it scroll like butter?