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Got to love Astroturf. The best ground cover money can buy (and the most expensive). Also has all the support contracts for repair and replacement and upgrades.
Gartner the new Astroturf sales reps.

Oct 08, 09 - 02:07 pm Comment from: Demon

Because Google Like Microsoft Paid them a lot of money.
Google in my opinion is no better the Microsoft when it comes to shilling. Google is not a company you should trust with your personal information.
I block all of Google's cookies even and will not install any of Google spyware Apps on my system.

Oct 08, 09 - 02:13 pm Comment from: Predrag

I have no problem with some of Google apps. Little Snitch reports and blocks all potential spying.

Hype

WTH is GOOGLE anyway?!! Go to google.com and tell me what the hype is? I don't get it! I really don't!

Dilger is another one of those goofballs.. his face immersed into Mac at all the time!

Just to substantiate my point, look at his defense on "Creator Codes" being substituted by Apple with UTI.. utter nonsense, just to say finally that it is actually not a replacement.

I for one is glad that Creator codes are gone, but his article is just filled with utter fanboy arguments.

Just like the Maobama state run media and their fake polls and lies about healthcare and "climate change".

Oct 08, 09 - 02:30 pm Comment from: Macdoc

Because they are morons...Gartner Group is always wrong! I don't know why anyone even pays attention to them.

Oct 08, 09 - 02:32 pm Comment from: theloniousMac

Apple has also paid Gartner in thepast.

Oct 08, 09 - 02:42 pm Comment from: Ray

Anyone who has played with the Android SDK and iPhone SDK knows that the Android is a pain in the butt to work with. If you are going to get paid $2.00 a sale you are not going to invest tons of effort in making apps for Symbian or Android. The only folks that are going to write apps for Android are a) masochistic google fanboys, b) Google and their HW partners, and c) people who want to support flagship apps like Notes, Oracle, Exchange....

just my $0.02

@ IT guy

"I for one IS glad... "

Geez dude learn to write english for cryin' out loud.

Oct 08, 09 - 02:48 pm Comment from: almux

To buy a bunch of Apple shares!

Isn't 2012 when Sara Palin takes office?

The trouble with crystal balls is that they tend to shatter when they are exposed to the full force and effect of gravity....

I believe that their crystal ball runs on windows.
Symbian as #1???? come on, rigth now even NOKIA (who brought Symbian into their assets) is dumping it in favor of Android.

Those guy got to be getting so much cash to sell their reputation so easy.

You're a complete idiot! Please move out of the U.S.

Oct 08, 09 - 03:51 pm Comment from: ken1w

NOW, I understand the formula used to get such precise, to the closest 0.1%, predictions. The Gartner analyst has a spreadsheet with the "contributions" from each competing manufacturer, in dollars. Using the relative amounts, create a multiplication factor; the higher your bribe, the higher your 2012 market share percentage compared to today's numbers. Apple apparently did not pay enough, because their market share percentage stays about the same. Google and Microsoft paid the most. That is excellent analysis.

Gartner's analyses are like Google Ads; just pay to play.

So you saw last week episode of Supernatural, too.

Read this (as referenced by Daniel):

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/19/gartner-corrupted-by-microsoft/

@Try learning english,

Sure, I missed that one.. thanks for pointing out.

But, I assume that that's the only issue you had with my argument then, right?

Oct 08, 09 - 07:02 pm Comment from: Occasional Poster

I certainly remember the early '90's when the Software Industry consortium labeled every CD software that was sold with both PC and Mac as being a "PC sale" giving the impression that the Mac was a dying breed. In addition, it would publish current PC related sales percentages, grossly underestimate Mac sales and then 2 to 3 months later update the three month old reports to reflect the true percentage.

Many a developer jumped ship because of this inaccurate but supposedly dying OS reporting.

Guess who had a chair on the Software Industry consortium that gave the reports and listed how software sales were reported? MS

The SWI president finally resigned after continued arguments with the way MS controlled the way sales were to be reported, a couple of years after the damage was done.

Under the table pay certainly controls Perception!

Oct 08, 09 - 07:36 pm Comment from: silverhawk

Didn't the FCC come out with some regulation pertaining to analysts or some writers honesty?

Google is full of fanboys who love FREE apps. I say - it's not a way to run a profitable business. Oops, google gets 98% revenue from search, so the rest doesnt matter - but, it's still not a good way to run any business. People confuse google being good at everything simply because theyre a fantastic one=trick pony. When google tried to get an app on the iphone that hijacks everything, then uses the google version of Apple apps, i realized google lost their fkn minds. lol

@Troy,

I don't really care, but I thought that you should know. Nokia has said that they will NEVER produce an Android phone. And only plan to use Symbian or some other home grown OS.

Of course things change. But they are hardly dumping Symbian right now for Android.

Android is going to be on dozens of handsets on multiple carriers globally moving forward. It already has 10,000 apps in its app market. And that's just with one phone on a tiny carrier. And many are the exact same apps from the same developers that are on the iPhone.

And if iPhone stays on AT&T;exclusively in the US, it is a viable alternative for all of the folks that want an iPhone and tons of free or low cost apps but don't want or can't get AT&T;.

This is certainly something to watch out for.

@@Bull

If people of Bulls 'level' moved out America would be empty.

@Silverhawk:

I totally agree: this would appear to be a prime example as to where the FCC's new regulations on bloggers mandates full disclosure.


-hh

Great point Bull! Those commie - drones ripping you are the problem. They cluelessly follow along destroying freedom and steeling private property.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:15 pm Comment from: derekcurrie

Much as I <3 Daniel, (he and I are old companions in the computer warz) there is one minor inaccuracy in his historical account of Windows:

"... suffice it to say that Windows 98 was such a dog that it would have been remembered as the worst version of Windows of all time had it not have been succeeded by the even worse 98-SE and then Windows Me."

The error is that 98-SE was dramatically better than 98. It saved the reputation of 98. No one in their right mind ever runs 98 without updating to 98-SE.

In another parallel of Windows history, Windows XP was originally a POS as well. It was not until SP2 (service pack 2) that it was considered safe and reliable.

I consider 7ista to be the saving grace service pack for Vista. Sadly, it doesn't cost $29. Congratulations to those who managed to get the 7ista service pack for free from their computer manufacturer. But that window of Windows opportunity is now closed.

As for Gartner, Daniel nailed them. Gartner are Apple haters from way back, well known for spiteful inaccuracies in their Apple predictions. When they are forced to begrudgingly point out Apple's dramatic gains in US and world market share, I consider it a minor miracle of honesty.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:23 pm Comment from: derekcurrie

Off Topic: Pray for US world. 'Bull' represents a large portion of the United States:

"Just like the Maobama state run media and their fake polls and lies about healthcare and "climate change"."

Hate is love. War is peace. (o_0)

Oct 09, 09 - 12:35 pm Comment from: derekcurrie

Regarding Google: I wish they'd drop the "Do No Evil" masquerade already. Great idea, no execution. Shame on any of us who thought they meant it. They have managed to make themselves into the "Big Brother" of Internet marketing. Their Tracker Cookie infiltration is infamous.

One of Google's current acts of evil is their version number jacking of Chrome. The Chrome browser has yet to come out of beta, and already Google are up to version '4'. Remind you of anything?

[Look up the history of Microsoft Internet Explorer]

And as always accompanies such masquerades, Google have a loyal band of Trolls who portray the company as doing no wrong, while of course using the usual Troll methods of sadomasochism to show their true colors. Criticize Chrome? Heresy. Burn the witch!

Oct 10, 09 - 03:04 am Comment from: rjackb

@Macdoc

You're the moron. Gartner dropped "Group" from their name back in 2001 but you obviously still haven't caught on.

So now Google's a spyware company?

Really.. what's up with all the Google negativity?

oh wait.. they released a mobile OS?!.. how dare they sail the iPhone waters!!!.. BURN THEM!!!

Oct 13, 09 - 08:23 pm Comment from: Greg L

Test:

Oh, sure. Many teenagers (the majority of those without body piercings and tattoos) admire Steve Jobs. The kids who likely don’t are the children of the Windows 7 party dorks.