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It won't kill the JailBreak market, but it will significantly reduce it. There will always be those who want to tinker with their devices.

I would much rather pay a few buck for a tested and approved application which installs by selecting it from the App Store than trying some hack and putting a relatively untested app on my iPhone.

Like all things Apple, it will simply be easier to buy from the App Store than to hack the iPhone. The vast majority of people will choose this method.

Jun 20, 08 - 11:58 am Comment from: Wealthy Industrialite

I think we'll end up with both... I completely foresee my iPhone having the "App Store" and "Installer" applications right next to each other.

And cheaper! as you don't have to put up with crash by the second & repair by the hour software from " U know who!!!

Nops... 'cause one might for instance want to use iPhone with Verizon.

Jun 20, 08 - 12:18 pm Comment from: mossman

The jailbreak market will remain. Just look at the Wii, which has downloadable "apps" but hackers (in the traditional sense) still went to the effort of getting Linux running on it.

Has Apple stated when the Apps Store will be on line? I assume it will be before the iPhone 3G hits the street. One less thing to have ready for the masses.

So far, jersey, all we have are rumors that it will launch around the same time as the iPhone 3G.

The Jailbreak market was primarily created by and for people who wanted more choice with who their service provider was and what sort of contract or not.

That will not change until people can buy on contract free and for multiple networks.

There will continue to be jailbroken iPhones. But there still won't be a market for them.

There is one reason I can think of to have jailbreak. Running Apps in the background. While Apple's solution to this will work 95% of the time, there are still important software that would be useful to run in the back ground.

For example. Write a medical app that keeps track of your vital signs 24/7 and pushes that info to your doctor. That way your doc will know instantly, where ever you are, if you are having a heart attack or a stroke and can meet you at the Hospital. That kind of app doesn't work with Apples push system but would be very useful. It would need to run 24/7 in the background to work.

Jun 20, 08 - 12:58 pm Comment from: jjjj

I don't think using the App Store is a vote for DRM, Fanboy Massacre.

Sure it'll be there, but it shouldn't keep you from enjoying the apps in any way. Unless you plan on trading the apps with your friends.

Go buy a Zune.

No, if the iPhone remains as a product, there will be those that will hack it. There will be one group of customers that will live in a jailbroken/non-jailbroken status all the time (as soon as switching back and forth becomes that easy).

Jun 20, 08 - 01:04 pm Comment from: Brau

Jobs is a fan of DRM wherever his interests are concerned, such as movies and software, yet wants to be perceived as anti-DRM where music is concerned. However, buying *anything* (even DRM free AACs from iTunes is still a vote for DRM. The whole iPod/iTunes architecture ensures you can't move or access those files wherever or whenever you want.

People are missing the obvious here because everyone's to scared to call a spade a spade.

The iPhone hacker community always had two components, geeks who wanted apps for their iPhone, and criminals who just like to break into things. The geeks and most consumers of the app market will move to the app store, the criminals will still want to do their criminal thing though.

I think what's likely is that one of these criminals will make a hacked installer program and everyone will be trading iPhone apps on LimeWire just like all the other files.

So the "jailbreak community" will consist only of real criminals who publish breaks and hacks and unlocks so that users with no scruples will be able to steal the work of the app creators. Whereas previously the iPhone hackers had a modicum of moral high-ground and more than a few intelligent developers working for it, now it will devolve into a strictly criminal enterprise populated by teenage boys, russian & chinese hackers, etc.

Jun 20, 08 - 01:11 pm Comment from: NCIceman

Because of the process one must go through to be able to actually load apps on a phone, I think jailbreaking will still be popular. Also for the reason of using it with other carriers...

Simple economics.

Greater regulation increases shortages/surpluses and dissatisfaction with the price level, and so increases the black market.

Since the App Store is a LARGE step down, regulation-wise, it's easier to be legitimate and so the size of the black market decreases.

Ergo, bizlaw and everyone else here - except TGAFM - are perfectly right.

Jun 20, 08 - 01:28 pm Comment from: HotinPlaya

Now that TelCel in Mexico will be carrying the iPhone, I am ready to go legit and sign up for the iPhone plan, so I have "Data"

But will still want to keep it hacked, for when a good VOIP option becomes available

Jun 20, 08 - 01:31 pm Comment from: nekogami13

Jailbreaking has nothing to do with switching carriers-it means hacking the firmware to allow third party software installs.

Unlocking is when you hack the phone to allow use on another carrier.
You can not use this phone on verizon, even if you unlock it. It is a GSM phone-only other GSM carrier in US is Tmobile.

Jun 20, 08 - 01:36 pm Comment from: TowerTone

Did iRaq break the Jailhouse Rock market?
No, I didn't think so.
Next question....

NO free always wins... why would anybody pay for apple apps when they can get anything they want on the internet for free and with no Apple Inc restriction...

Jun 20, 08 - 01:48 pm Comment from: Think

@ Brau

YOU show your ignorance. Steve/Apple would love TV shows and movies to be DRM free. Hollywood won't let them. Just the fact that getting rentals took this long shows how much the studios don't want anything digital.

Second, DRM software from the App Store for the iPhone & Touch is to ensure it doesn't turn into the MS Windows mess that we have now. Hey, you write a good app that works by the rules, you get it approved by Apple. Done deal.

Third, there are other third party AAC players out there, you can burn an audio CD to play in your car, stereo and friend's house or boom box. You can play AAC files on a Mac or a PC.

Does Play for Sure work with Macs?

Does the Zune Market Place work with Macs?

Jun 20, 08 - 01:50 pm Comment from: Demon

The G3 iPhone requires an AT&T;contract before you walk out of the store. So the G3 iPhone on other carriers is going to be a small blip. But there are a lot of older non-G3 iPhone out there and they will be traded sold and run on other carriers. The big question will be the iPhone 2.0 software and how it will change the jail breaking and unlocking scheme. One thing is for sure and that is the 2.0 software is going to be a much harder beast to crack. But, as AT&T;starts to upgrade contracts for old iPhone owners to new G3 iPhone owners some of the old iPhones will be official unlocked to work on other carriers. As for jail breaking for third party apps, most 3G iPhone owners will not go to the trouble and it will be relegated off to a small group of geeks and criminals types wanting to do other harm.

A jail broken iPhone is an invite into your phone and data. Once you jail break your iPhone it is basically broken and no longer has any security and all the tools and entry points are wide open and just needs a script kiddy to run a simple tool to get access to your phone and the data stored on it.

Jun 20, 08 - 02:12 pm Comment from: shen

"Write a medical app that keeps track of your vital signs 24/7 and pushes that info to your doctor"

look, i LOVE the iPhone, but if you are going to build the monitoring hardware, and then have to wire it to the phone, and write the app, and and and...

....and trust your life to it? man some things just cry out for their own set of hardware rather than an add-on. just my 2¢.

Jun 20, 08 - 02:14 pm Comment from: shen

"Does Play for Sure work with Macs?

Does the Zune Market Place work with Macs?"

why do you add "with Macs?" to the end of those 2 sentences?

Depends on how strict Apple is with applications--for example, the only reason I had for having a jailbroken iPhone for a while was playing old games using NES.app, etc. Eventually having a bunch of old games wasn't worth the price of having an unstable iPhone, but I wonder if Apple will allow such a beast to be distributed through iTMS.

Jailbreak Market will Stay here for years to come.

Here's why...

Apple only accepts a handful of developers to their AppStore, for instance; tens of thousands applied but apple only accepted a few hundred. So those who did not get in will be developing for free, as screw apple attitude will come in factor. Apple is simply cherry picking who they want in.

Another reason jailbreak will stay is that the iPhone 3G is going into massive distribution to over 70 countries. More countries, more users, more exposure for developers to showcase their apps.

Jun 20, 08 - 03:41 pm Comment from: Demon

@RafMac

Apple only allowed a few thousand in the development program to have access to the direct app install onto an iPhone during development (It required a NDA and a bunch of other paperwork). I was not one of them picked but, I've already got my App Store submission packets from Apple for putting my 3 iPhone Apps into the App Store by launch day.

Apple's not cherry picking anything, Any Developer that put together an App for the iPhone that 1) adheres to the iPhone development rules. 2) Passes the Apple QE stability and performance standards 3) and you've done the submission paperwork correctly. Will have their software in the App Store.

If your not a registered developer for the iPhone and have not read all the Apple documentation and guidelines, I'd strongly recommend that you do the research before commenting.

It's kind of fun to watch the Internet Mac sites today (Saturday, June 21) as the jailbreak providers scramble to sell their stuff before Apple Apps Store begins. They do a good job in their advertising of hiding the fact that you have to jailbreak the phone to install the applications.