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Doesn't he mean "we have no plans on moving our version of OS X to Apple hardware?

Nothing comes to mind?

They removed ALL the main features/pillars they were first hyping for Longhorn! And yes, late 2006 IS later than they said before!

And here's a funfact: they won't need to "move" Vista to Mac, they'll just need to get with the 2000s and support EFI. Which they've already planned.

I love how he's ALREADY hedging against maybe having to push Vista into 2007. What a train wreck.

Yeah, their monopoly in business will help them. But it will only help them make money, not make a quality product.

Can you just HEAR the passion for greatness in his words? :D

"I feel pretty good right now"

"At this point, literally, I just want to complete what we've got in there"

"We think we're going to help information workers."

"we're super proud of the fact that we're a partnership-level company"

Oh boy, sign me up, Vista's going to ROCK!

(ps, MDN doesn't like to load any more if there's any network congestion. Forget it on dialup: 2 tried to load any page! This has been like the last week or 2. And most fun of all: if the page does load, the magic word often doesn't. Something is timing out too soon: most sites don't give up so quickly on trying to send you a page.)

"We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia."

For an engineer, his Newspeak is doubleplusgood.

If they did "move" it to Macintosh hardware there could be some serious revenue erosion in Redmond.

...'And most important, we're super proud of the fact that we're a partnership-level company where we're working with ISVs [independent software vendors] and IHVs [independent hardware vendors] and we're not trying to do it all ourselves.'

microsoft 'a partnership level company' ...PLLEEEEEEEASE.

you couldnt make the hardware as good as Apple does, thats why you dont do it.

two words 'meat-head'.

"quality that's demanded by our customers"

So it will be crap then?

Wow. Where does one start?

"I will not ship this product if it doesn't achieve the quality that's demanded by our customers."

This statement can be brought into reality if you replace the word "demanded" with "deemed good enough".


And when asked about what it was that they left out, he replied "There's nothing that comes to mind right now."

Holy Cow! The list of "things to leave out" is longer than "what to put in" and he can't recall a single one?


And "We think we're going to help the corporate IT stack save money."

Not real sure though, are ya? I'd be hedging my bets too if I were him. Like, one major virus attack and all he thought they might save is down the toilet. Not to mention all the new hardware a lot of businesses would have to (re)buy in order to run the bloated OS. Remember the old ad that went "Gee, I coulda had a V-8!"? Well, by 2008 I bet some businesses will be saying "Gee, we coulda had a Mac" (and for for 500 bucks).


One last thing... "we're super proud of the fact that we're a partnership-level company where we're working with ISVs [independent software vendors] and IHVs [independent hardware vendors] and we're not trying to do it all ourselves. There's a fundamental difference of perspective there."

Boy he's got that right, a BIG fundamental difference. Another saying, that applies to hardware & software as well as soup, is "Too many cooks spoil the broth".


This guy must be from another planet. Or from Redmond.

> it's so rich in terms of features

There's that word "rich" again... OK, so what are some of these features...?


> we're going to help the corporate IT stack [and] information workers

OMG, do I want to deal w/ a company that thinks of its customers in these terms...? What the hell is an "information worker"...?


> we're super proud

Well that's super... <hehehe>

An "information worker" is someone who spends alot of time researching information on Vista viruses and spyware.

I swear Ive never seen people at such a high corporate level in such a state of denial.

They don't need to release Windows Vista for Apple. I'm sure someone out there will figure out an easy way to install it on an Apple.

http://musobs.blogspot.com

They're late coze they need to see LEOPARD before release XP SP3. They need to know if they can compet with. So, Apple kill them with a bit of LEOPARD showing features that they need to postpone xp sp3 again and lost the credibility.

We know who the REAL Kool-aid drinkers are!!!

a Windows sidebar that can display all kinds of information such as upcoming appointments, just-in e-mail messages and a clock," Joris Evers reports for CNET News

Vista's got a CLOCK!!, A CLOCK!!!, we're sunk.

"Q: Will you make a version of Vista for Apple computers, now that they're using Intel processors?
A: We have no plans to move Vista to the Macintosh hardware."

Thank the heavens for small favors! I'd rather plunge two knitting needles deeply into both eye sockets than install Vista on a Mac.

I know he is super rroud, but is he super *duper* proud?

What is this, a frackin' pep squad?!

I think we have our first person to try this new brain-scan lie detector on.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/30/with-mri-lie-detectors-your-brain-gives-you-away/

Believe you me, I have NO plans to move Vista to MY Macintosh hardware either

Since when do Microsoft's customers "demand quality" from Microsoft?

Is that a joke?

"To some degree, when we did Windows 2000 and Windows XP, we worked on trying to take away the reliability stigma that PCs had.

By that I mean I don't think people even think about their machines having to be rebooted, not like they used to be in the old days.

It used to be very common to reboot your Windows 9x machine. I think we did a very good job there."

To some degree, when we did 737 and 747, we worked on trying to take away the reliability stigma that airplanes had.

By that I mean people even think about the engines having to be restarted in mid air several times per flight, not like they used to be in the old days.

It used to be very common to restart your engines in mid-flight on your 7x7 airframe. I think we did a very good job there...

Considering the delay in release of Longhorn and Vista one wonders if Microsoft plans to move any of these "operating systems" to PC's.

"And here's a funfact: they won't need to 'move' Vista to Mac, they'll just need to get with the 2000s and support EFI. Which they've already planned."

Great. That'll get it to boot.

Think Microsoft is going to include drivers for the built-in iSight? How about for Airport? Firewire? Temperature Sensors? Think they'll support anything on the custom-designed Apple motherboards?

You think Apple will write these drivers for Windows?

Yes, getting Windows Vista to boot is the first step. Getting all the appropriate drivers is the next step. And that's gonna be the biggie.

"Q: Is Windows Vista late?
A: We're on track..."

WTF!



That's the problem at Mafiasoft: They all have their heads up their asses.


MDN Magic Word: "eye". As in I can't believe he said that shit!

Wow, he used "hope" three times and "dream" four times. LOL

Re MDN's take: "...they're still stuck with the broken "too many cooks in the kitchen" model..."

Broken? And who declares it broken? Mac fanboys? Please.

I guess his comment about M$ working with ISV's and IHV's hit home. That is M$'s weakness and its strength. It is a weakness in that it hinders the development of vertically-integrated solutions (e.g., iPod + iTMS), but it is a strength in that it spreads out development costs and attracts adherents to the platform among third-party vendors, thus building mass and the accompanying economies of scale. Why do you think Intel won out over the PPC, despite the latter having a superior architecture?

M$ will always be hobbled by having to cater to so many, while Apple will always have the luxury of a (relatively small) captive market that always buys everything they release, regardless of cost, changes to architecture, etc. This is the reality of the marketplace. And the great thing about it is that there is enough of a market for both approaches to survive - although we all know which one will remain the dominant player.

BTW, all you IT Mafiasoft lapdogs, you're not even considered people by your slave master. No, you're "corporate IT stack".

Well, stack this! {MacMania shoots the bird using the quick flick technique}

"And when asked about what it was that they left out, he replied 'There's nothing that comes to mind right now.'"

Whoa! You're misquoting him.

The question was, "Is there anything you regret leaving out?" Thus, he has no regrets about taking stuff out. Not that there wasn't anything left out.

"BTW, all you IT Mafiasoft lapdogs, you're not even considered people by your slave master. No, you're "corporate IT stack"."

I really don't mind as long as I keep my six-figure salary.

Is Windows Vista late?

Gates: Define the word, "late."

Allchin: I'm super duper proudly diddly dowdly that we're not unlate or not-not unearly either.

Ballmer: THIS project is certainly on time. Besides no other computer company could come up with major OS revisions in just under a decade. It can't be done. It hasn't been done. IT WON'T be done. NOW get out my #$%@ing office, you piece of %$^&* ! ! ! ! (cue flying office furniture)

MW: love - Can you feel it?

Does this sound familiar?
"We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company."
Lilly Tomlin, as Ernestine the Operator

Not making Windows work on macs makes sense as Apple is on it's way out as a computer company. With lagging sales of it's Intel computers, and incredibly bad benchmarks (400% decrease in speed on critical applications) point to the death of Apple as a computer company by the end of the year. There is no way that Apple can stay afloat with iPod and iTunes sales alone and those numbers are going to drop as soon as Microsoft releases it's own mp3 player which will obviously blow Apple out of the water. The iPod is little more than an over priced plastic device with over priced memory and over priced music installed on it.

With all the bad press Apple is getting on the new Intel computers along with growing security concerns that will bloom into a full fledged virus and malaware attacks will further push Apple to bankruptcy by the end of the year. The computer industry looks forward to the removal of this damaging company from the market.

Ahhhhhhh, yesssssss. Everything according to plan.

MWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

MWA-

MWA-

MWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I said: "BTW, all you IT Mafiasoft lapdogs, you're not even considered people by your slave master. No, you're "corporate IT stack"."

Evil_M$_User said: "I really don't mind as long as I keep my six-figure salary."

Now I say {While flicking da bird}: Gee I've been enjoying my High six figure salary for many moons now, without being a slave to Mafiasoft or an "IT stake" (whatever the fsk that is).

Rock on SJ

Q: Is "holiday 2006"' a bit later than expected?
A: No, that's what we've always said. Wait, did you say 2000 or 3000? What were we talking about? Where are my notes?

"Gee I've been enjoying my High six figure salary for many moons now, without being a slave to Mafiasoft or an "IT stake" (whatever the fsk that is)."

Well, good for you. I really don't care. What I find amusing is how you and others like you get yourself all out of whack because of an OS. It's an OS, for heaven's sake! It's not your wife (or maybe it is?).

What can you say about that?

All I can think about when he says "quality demanded by our customers" is the pile of dog poop that was Windows 3.0. I want my money back for that, plus interest.

Why does guy remind me of the pointy haired boss from the Dilbert comic strip?

He sounded really spooked, calling it "Mac Hardware" when it is the same hardware bar the EFI was very telling! They are worried.

Evil_MS_User,

I believe it was you that "got out of whack" by touting your salary on this board, as though making a 6-figure salary is supposed to impress us. Hate to break it to you, sucker, but there are lots of us on this board that make 6 figures. But you pulled it out first, didn't ya.

If you are indeed the corporate IT boy that you portray, maybe one day you'll look in the mirror and realize that you are so far behind the cutting edge, we could nickname you "razor handle". You go in each day happy with the fact that as long as MS is running on your machines, you and your boys have jobs. That's why you and Allchin and everyone are "thrilled" that Vista is coming out.

The funny thing that you will probably never recognize is that there is an actual reason that Mac users are fanatic about their OS - because it has some awesome features that MS could only ever hope to duplicate (badly). I used to work in IT (before I got a "real" job) and I know the mindset there. There are very few forward thinkers in IT. Most are sheep. "Everyone else uses MS, so that's what we should use". Yeah that's it.

No, Mac OS X is not our wife. It's just such a great product, we can't help but feel good about it. But you're right, it's not my wife. I have a wife, and she makes 6 figures too. So there.

Hey, Jimbo. Bully for you. Hope you and your wife are enjoying yourselves. Really.

Sorry if I offended you with the salary bit. Maybe I was just pissed off at all those comments about Windows users being low-paid drones that's constantly being bandied in this excuse for a forum.

As to me being so far behind the cutting edge, I have to say that you don't know me nor do you know what I do. So maybe you should back up on that a bit. I do what I do and you do what you do. I respect you, show some respect in return.

... and Apple still has no presence in busines...

But MDN's take is pretty much on the button.


And frankly, if there were mutally exclusive choice between 6-figure salary and OS X, I'd take the salary, thank you. Now sling all bull-pucky my direction.

We have no plans to move Vista to the Macintosh hardware.

Because Apple will throw so many hardware curves at Redmond they can't possilbly keep up with the changes.

Remember Mac OS X controls hardware aspects of Mac computers.

Thank God, no Vista on Mac's. M$ will hobble VPC of course.

"We have no plans to move Vista to the Macintosh hardware."

Here's hoping the collective sigh of relief by the Mac community doesn't produce hurricanes that rival Katrina.

Peter,

I don't think that some of those drivers will be as important as you think. Anyone purchasing a Mac and wanting to run Windows on it will probably only run Windows as a secondary environment, i.e. with the need to run a Windows-only application. They probably won't have the need for iSight or some of the other peripherals. Well, maybe the gamers....

>> "Not making Windows work on macs makes sense as Apple is on it's way out as a computer company. With lagging sales of it's Intel computers, and incredibly bad benchmarks (400% decrease in speed on critical applications) "<<

400% decrease? What's that? How is it that people who pride themselves on their knowledge of computers and business can't get how percentages work.

A 400 percent decrease would mean that the computer is running backwards. ie; if the computer's clockspeed is 2Gigs then 2 Gigs is 100%. A 400% decrease would mean that the clockspeed would be minus 8 Gigs, just as a 400% increase would equal 8 gigs.

Think about it.

"We have no plans to move Vista to the Macintosh hardware."

You know MS really SHOULD bring Vista to Mac hardware.

That way they can tell the press that Macs have Windows' security problems too.

Come on, Redmond. Apple's playing on your Intel turf now. Surely you should be able to bring Windows to Mac as easily as Apple brought Mac OS to Intel. Or are you too tied up with PC Vista to answer the challenge?

all i can think is: "pathetic". but i'll keep in mind: "nothing i could think about..." so vista is perfect in terms of what they (he, sic) can think about... well, well... we will have this big surprise, that vista looks like OS X "3 years ago version" and nobody in the windoze world will notice that Apple's Mac OS X is far ahead... pathetic... pathetic... but efficient... like cheap coffee, but tasteless... well the costumers have the choice!!! choose the best, not the cheapest! democracy, from the roots is based on knowledge, not $$$.

all i can say is

WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO

THANK YOU SO MUCH. FINALLY Microsoft does something right.

OK, I'll admit it now. I'm really just a semi-employed goober who enjoys rattling peoples' cages. I guess everyone is just a potential victim for me to preemptively try to hurt so I can somehow feel immune from hurt. No, I don't really make six figures. If I did, I would be far too busy to spend all day blogging on this Web site. Instead, I just spend all day reading Mac web sites (including this one) and live a fantasy life in a virtual world.

I am sorry to you all.

No, wait. What am I saying? I am actually a very superior person who makes a lot of money and who has the power to make lousy Mac users feel inferior. SHAKE IN MY PRESENCE (like the tin man).

And we think in the home space, we have significant advancements that we're very proud of, in terms of how we integrate with TV and how we do gaming.

Yes, but enough about XBox. Let's get back to Vista. On track since 2004 you say? Hmmmm…