MacDailyNews - Where Mac news comes first

Everything about Microsoft would be funny if it weren't so depressing that so much of thw world relies on them.

The truth will out.

MW- true How?

Now he can buy one and run Windows!

Destruction of evidence, hmm... obstruction of justice. Seems to me if the law was broken, then ... ahh. It's just a bunch of white boys doing hard business. Like Enron. No problemo [sic].

This really should come as shock to no one.

What's funny is that you have to read lawsuits to find the best comedy.

Doesn't the name, "Nathan Myrhvold" sound like a character from THGTTG?

M$ i Minions of Satan. Made even more obvious by this story.

I hope Steve has wised up since the early "Pirate's of Silican Valley" days, and never trusts Bill and his company for a second.

This article and the other latest thing with Office and the Mac is just the begining. M$ is becoming a desperate cornered animal, they will do anything to save themselves.

Beware Steve, beware. Stay one step ahead, watch your back, and do not trust them this time around.

Don't blame him for wanting a Mac. He is still with them....they must pay him well.

OUCH!!! AH-CHI-WA-WA!!

That has to hurt MS.

Man, you'd think that Allchin would have enough money that he could quit Microsoft (Brokeback Redmond: "I can't quit you."), take it easy, relax and enjoy a good computing experience on a Mac. Wouldn't that be a great switcher ad? Have ol' Allchin up there with that funky little switcher tune playing:

"So I used to be a bigshot at Microsoft. I kept looking at what we were doing and knew it was wrong. It was bad. It was not how a computer experience should be. So I says to Bill Gates, 'I would buy a Mac if I didn't work at Microsoft.' Steve Ballmer piped in, 'Why don't you quit and buy a Mac then, Jimbo?' So I did. I left Microsoft and my multi-million dollar salary just so that I could use a Mac. I'm Jim Allchin, and I now use a Mac."

Well the good thing is, MS now has a splendid idea what they could give Jim as an retirement present!

"Greed is Good!"

LOL "I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers, both business and home" Such self deception.

Somehow I don't think they are even in their sight. Microsoft tailors its "products" enitirey on monopolistic imperatives. Customers are in athe cage, screw 'em!
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $are all they look at/ care about.

M.X.N.T.4.1,

What no one gets, and mostly MS, is that, even MS would be better off if the whole didn't rely on them.

So why does the whole world keep relying on MS, I think mostly because of the indoctrination of IT pros at the academic level... And I don't know what the anwer is there. I want there to be a magic bullet in here somewhere, but alas, there's mostly likely not one to be found.

Seriously, it would be pretty sweet if Apple could land that guy, given his affinity for the Mac and his high visibility. He probably didn't get to the top at MS without having serious talent, so I'm sure Apple could use him.

One answser is people are sheep.

Sheep get sheared . .Micro$ft.
Sheep get slaughtered . . led to war by misguided/uncaring/power drunken leaders.

Beware the wolves among us!

Allchin actually gets it!

...So why does the whole world keep relying on MS...?

MW: dark.

So, if they want to sell our OS, they can't sell any other OS?
- That's it, you got it! It's an offer they can't refuse: all their boxes must ship with Windows.

I like it, empower IT and neuter OEMs!
- Can't fail. I get a hard on just thinking about it.

Lucky Ballmer isn't here or he'd squirt!
- And once we have the OEMs by the balls, we'll squeeze 'em bad!

How so?
- By clamping down on installation of any third party apps or standards. We decide what software is included.

No Netscape?
- None of 'em, including QuickTime! Nada.

Gee, you're the most evil man I know [said while bowing to his leader].
- You know I'm bad, I'm bad, you know it!

Less is More sez "...it's just a bunch of white boys doing hard business. Like Enron. No problemo [sic]."

No problemo? Like graft and corruption are condoned if you are white? What kind of crap is that. From NPR:
"A federal court jury in Houston convicts Enron founder Ken Lay and former chief executive Jeff Skilling of conspiracy and fraud. They will be sentenced on Sept. 11, and face lengthy prison terms."

These were just two of dozens of convictions handed down to Enron people. Escaping detection of wrong doing, and being clever enough to hide the evidence of corruption is a statement against those individuals that participate. Please don't use racist rhetoric to imply "white boys" all play these games. This is one "white boy" who couldn't wait to see those Enron bastards go to prison. Lastly, not every corporation is Enron. Your comments are juvenile.

Looking for a job at Apple, Mr Alchin???

Allchin already has one foot out the door. He's slated to retire once Vista is released. To give him credit for recognizing the Mac's appeal is to be too generous. Gates himself recognized the appeal of the original Macintosh before its release. That didn't stop either from dragging the computer world down the wrong path. Allchin headed the Vista project for years, so the product and the delays bringing it to fruition belong to his team.

I wouldn't hold my breath for him to appear in a Mac vs. PC ad any time soon unless he's unencumbered by Microsoft investments. Besides, those of us who remember his testimony in the US vs. Microsoft trial saw only a shill for his company. Hes' a little short on cred.

Of course he would buy a Mac. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would buy a Mac. Even Bill Gates would buy a Mac if he didn't own Microsoft! Steve Balmer, however, should apply for a job as a monkey in the circus.

Like graft and corruption are condoned if you are white? What kind of crap is that.

That's crap you fabricated all by yourself due to shallow reading comprehension. Does "go fuck yourself" really mean you should retire to some private place to engage in sexual intercourse with yourself? Obviously not. But since you took offense all too easily, here goes:

By the time those "bastards" went to prison, a lot of little people had been totally screwed. Just how did they go so far, when a company from the United Arab Emirates [ a U.S. ally], Dubai Ports World, couldn't even get to first base?

Flame away. I've got be elsewhere.

"No problemo", if this is supposed to be spanish, then sorry but it's "No problema"

In a dark windowless room, Allchin is laying on a large flat table with his arms and legs stretched to the ends of the table by ropes.

Hovering over him are Ballmer and Gates and a glaring light shining on his face.

Ballmer: Who do you work for?!

Allchin: (pants) For you guys!

Ballmer: What is the best computer in the world?

Allchin: Dell. (gasp)

Ballmer: What is the best operating system in the world?

Allchin: Microsoft.

Ballmer: I can't hear you!!

Allchin: Microsooooft!!!

Ballmer: I don't believe you!! Billy, crank up a notch!

Allchin: NOOOooooo!!!

Gates: Heh Heh Heh!

Ask anyone who is in, or has been, in business and they will tell you that business, especially big business, is risk-averse. They will stay with the devil they know, instead of the devil they do not know, for a very long time and through many difficulties. Risk takers are few and far between in the business world and many more fail than succeed. CEO/CFO/Director types know this as do the IT managers who work for them.

It is this very set of facts, more than anything else, that keeps Microsoft dominant in every market that Windows and Office operate in. This is what they use to leverage new markets and how they keep competitors out of existing ones. They do not have to be better- they just have to be functional and 'good enough'.

Jim Allchin is a smart man and knows how good OS X is and what it's potential would be in an open competitive marketplace. Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates do as well. You do not get to that level and stay there by being stupid. But they also know nothing short of a massive meltdown of the Windows platform or an incredibly disruptive technology that they cannot answer will dislodge their market position. That IS the bottom line.

Maybe you know this, or maybe you didn't. Either way, that is the situation.

"...You do not get to that level and stay there by being stupid..."

Really?
How then, do you account for George W. Bush.

Well, I guess the stupidity has to be taken into account on behalf of the slim majority who voted for George the Chimp (TM) a SECOND TIME.

Actually, Microsoft usually makes more money off a Mac user who buys office than they do off of a person who buys a computer from Dell.

So, Jim, you could have bought a Mac and Microsoft Office and lived guilt-free.

To Spanish Royal Academy:

"No problema", said this way, is not used in Spanish. It should have been translated as "Ningún problema" or, in a worse translation "No hay problema"

So trying to correct someone? Do it properly, man...please

If MS staff can use iPods, what's stopping Jimmy Boy using a Mac in the privacy of his own home?

To Ballmer re: Spanish Royal Academy--

I wouldn't say "no hay problema" is a 'worse' translation, but rather the correct one.

That's right, if you are going to correct someone make sure you are doing it properly

honestly, i wouldn't be surprised if bill gates himself has a mac (running windows of course).
or if half of their 80000 employees used OSX. getting a job with ford does NOT mean i do or ever will drive one.

hairbo - "He probably didn't get to the top at MS without having serious talent... "

Ballmer's even higher position within Microsoft demolishes that argument.

To Spanish Royal Academy, Ballmer and Spanish-o, read on.

My Spanish - was correct - being a quote from the movie, "Terminator," and tagged with a "[sic]" to indicate it was improper Spanish. Parse this:

Frégate los cojones y vete a tomar por culo, gilipollas, que no sabes leer - ni Inglés ni Español!

Why is it that so many people have a reading problem?

Now we know why Allchin wants to retire.

I do not havew any reading problem Mr Less is More.

In fact, I was not addressing to you, rather than to Spanish Royal Academy. Where did you get lost? Following converstion problems anyone?

About parsing your spanish sentence, I'd say that it was very rude and impolite of you. Not going to transalate your phrase, just going to say : "Usted primero, caballero. Vuesa Merced no tiene la más remota idea de lo que yo puedo leer o no"

De vez en cuando no puedo controlar mi Tourettes. Me voy ahora a fregar la lengua. Está claro que el caballero es usted, no yo.

"No problemo" era una frase memorable en Español rota de una película que yo creía que todos lo hubieran reconocido, particularmente como estaba calificada con una "[sic]."

You could just continue the discussion in plain English or e-mail your comments to one another...

Ik begin hier toch ook niet in het Nederlands, hoewel het mijn moedertaal is???
Translation (indeed I DO translate what I say in other languages): I don't start writing in Dutch here as well, even though it is my mother tongue???

Apart from that, I must congratulate Mr. Allchin on his insight in what an OS should be about. Still, most unfortunately, one has to agree with The Power Of Incumbency (didn't even need a dictionary to know what incumbency means): M$ will likely still reign the OS market for years to come... As a switcher, I know that you can only convert people one by one, and basically, my parents won't buy one untill our HP crashes ONCE again... My mother didn't want to buy a new computer while we still have one at home, so my father is trying real hard to make the system crash every time he uses it. Once OS X takes over about 10% of the market though, Micro$oft would better start focusing on the Xbox, 'cause then they won't last very long as the dominant OS market player...

I like yoursite.

Dec 05, 07 - 12:17 am Comment from: IRJustman

This comes a bit late, but I did not write the cited story. Pamela "PJ" Jones did. What probably happened was that the folks here never did their research of how Groklaw works, using my first two posts to that article's discussion as an indication of who wrote it. Those two posts are for "corrections" and "off-topic" items of the day.

Please do due diligence before citing someone who may not have written the original message. Not to mention, Groklaw is a great resource for where the tech, open source and geek topics intersect with the legal world.

--Ian R. Justman, who did NOT write the cited article.