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OMG! They were blatant this time.

If memory serves....Law suits for stealing look and feel of software are not that successful. I think Lotus 1-2-3 vs. Quatro comes to mind. Well I for one know who makes the OS that looks out for my data, my personal information security, and provides reliable service in the long term. MS can never confuse me when it comes to those issues.

Thats why I don't buy any Microsoft crap....it's just a bad photocopy job

Yes ... much of Vista's "new features" are rip-offs of current OS X features.

Care to talk about who had Fast User Switching first?

How about document sharing?

Spend less time noticing who is ripping off which features and take a moment to consider who is "Making bad upside down and backwards copies". Doing it right is more important than doing it first. At least when Apple rips off Microsoft, they generally do a better job of implementing whatever it is they are copying.

They don't play solitaire! They're off playing XBOX 360!

Ooooooh! Their folders are sideways, I get it.

They rip off this, we rip off that. There are only so many ways of doing things. That's why copyrights and patents on software are just ludicrous.

You find your code in a Microsoft app any you really have been ripped off. Microsoft hasn't been caught doing that since they started trying to make XP secure. I guess they've been too busy.

Apple doens't do their development in a vacuum, so of course MS has had some influence on some of their ideas but the sharing between the two companies is far from fair.

I'm really tired of poeple using fast user switching as evidence of MS innovating ahead of apple. FUS is not a new or novel idea. After using a multi user computer for 5 minutes it becomes an obvious feature, and has been part of mainframe/super computer operating systems for years. MS didn't invent the idea but they got to it faster than Apple. Good for them. From 11/2001 till 10/2003 MS was ahead on that game, but that advantage is now gone and it was never evidence of vision or creativity. TRy actually using FUS on a computer with only 512 MB RAM and tell me whose FUS actually works best.

The face can't change the hard fact:

Mac OS X uses a UNIX kernel, much more stable and secure, making it almost (I'm saying ALMOST) free of viruses and malware.

Windows Vista STILL uses the old NT kernel, being an open door to viruses and malware, etc., not to mention security exploits, crashing, and all the inherited annoyance from NT/2000/XP. It still uses the old installation process (compared to the much cleaner .app process, inherited to NeXT), and it is, in the end, XP with a different face.

So, to make Vista "better" will require much more than a facelift. They can copy and copy the GUI, but the bottom line is, which kernel is better? UNIX has a history of stability. NT, well, you read the news.

Fast User Switch? Microsoft "innovation" ??

OK, OK, switching users has been (and still is) a standard in UNIX since I remember it. You want to change users? You can use su, and that will change faster than anything.

Of course, that was part of NeXTstep, and therefore, inherited by Mac OS X. All what the Apple guys did was to make a very nice GUI mask to SU into another account. It was just the natural evolution of NeXTstep.

The funny thing is that no Windows users will know that Vista is a ripoff of Mac OS X because Apple doesn't advertise what Mac OS X has to offer.

None of the Ads show us Mac OS X in action, just two bozos talking.

Microsoft's whole "InfoCard" concept seems very similar to Apple's Keychain concept that has been around for-pretty-much ever.

between ripping of an unpatented feature like FUS, and ripping off the LOOK of things.

you don't HAVE to rip off the LOOK of something in order to get the function. but MS does anyway.

for MS show Windows in action either, not in the kind of detail you're talking about where people would learn who ripped off what feature.

And there's a reason ads don't get into technical details like that. Nobody would pause on their way to the crapper for something boring like that.

It's not boring if you use it, but it's boring on TV. Talk ABOUT what you can do, but don't SHOW it! Not in 30 seconds on a low-res TV, please.

and the hardware requirement for tiger? well i have it running on a 5-year old imac with half a gig of ram and it works just fine...

One thing MS can't copy is OS X's guts.

Security, stability, and advanced under-the-hood features have to be built in the hard way. You can't rip those off with a paint program.

And I won't mention Apple's legendary fit-and-finish, which can only be done when you control both the OS & the hardware it runs on.

WinBoys, you're welcome to edit your icons between Windows Defender interruptions & mysterious driver issues. The truth is glaring.

"If memory serves....Law suits for stealing look and feel of software are not that successful."

Yeah, I seem to remember one between Apple years ago and . . . . .s o m e b o d y.

Favorate quotes from comments on the Lifehacker article:

"It's like that kid in school who everyone thought could draw but come to find out he was only tracing out of Highlights for Children and adding funny captions"

"Like a donkey braying in response to an opera singer"

Priceless!

The New MeeCrow$oft slogans.

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MeeCrow$oft, innovation by copied.

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MeeCrow$oft, inspired by Apple

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MeeCrow$oft, monopoly by copying & bullying

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MeeCrow$oft, it is NO SHAME to imitate.

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MeeCrow$oft, dare to follow.

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MeeCrow$oft, dare to be second.

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He wrote "With the growing number of daily insecurities of Windows (which has plagued Vista betas as well)……"

Does anybody know exactly what these insecurities are that have plagued Vista ?

I thought that security was supposed to be the big ( only ) selling point with Vista.

I have a feeling (hope, really) that Leopard may be advertised once Vista comes about. Hopefully, some really cool whiz-bang stuff that translates well to tv.

Like, showing how Windows can be kept safe, by eliminating it-- running Windows applications without Windows. All the convenience, less the crap.

Oh, dare to dream.

"With the growing number of daily insecurities of Windows (which has plagued Vista betas as well), users will soon grow tired of Microsoft and move on."

This statement makes it sound like any month now we're finally going to START seeing the market share shift - even if its slowly. But I just don't see it.

There's a frequent poster that likes to call him/her self "Realitycheck" or some such thing. Well here's a reality check. Inspite of everything OS X is still only about 5% of market share - blah blah blah. If things are going as well as I want to think they are for Mac, it seems that after a year of exponentially more publicity, a butt-load of new and awesome products, a Wall Street presence unparalled in Apple's history, and considering MS's latest behemoth, Mac should be tipping the scales toward a healthy 8-10% share... What's up?

Really, I just don't get it. We're still posting a relative 5% market share? Isn't the the consumer pc market bigger than the enterprise share? And if so, isn't the Mac growing a lot faster in the consumer market than the enterprise?

Seems to me if things we're going even half as well as this article makes it sound, Macs should already be posting verifiable point increases in market share. MDN's take over the last vew months has been, "Assimalate and conquer", but I honestly just don't see it. Anybody know what's really going on?

AlanAudio: "Does anybody know exactly what these insecurities are that have plagued Vista ?"

Try a Google search for "Vista virus."

Lots of questions, few answers.

I find even more funny that noone has really noticed that on the developer versions of Tiger the widgets were actually in the directory /Library/Gadgets and ~/Library/Gadgets . And for an even funny look at it, previous versions of widgets had the extention name .gadget . M$ has blatantly stolen from apple and thier Developer releases of 10.4 by name. As such they have violated Apple's developer license.

Been using both platforms since the the early 90's. It comes down to which one you're comfortable with. My first was a PC that required booting into DOS to use it. Windows has progressed, but the Mac and Next have been and are the R&D;dept. of computers. I make money off of using both, but only enjoy the experience on my Mac. The Apple stores allow people to play with the OS, something Ads doesn't do. No matter what, Apple needs a face lift, OS X is five years old and still looks like it did three versions ago. M$ now looks better. Apple, I hope you've upped the Wow factor with the next update.

"Anybody know what's really going on?"

Billions of dollars on the line?
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt is still a viable weapon?
Most people are too lazy to care? (my friends included)

I'm not sure there is a huge problem as long as Apple makes a profit, innovates, and keeps the evilness/arrogance under control.

M$ and Windows will not disappear, nor fade into obscurity. But, with time, its dominance will certainly fade. The only thing we can count on is that nothing stays the same.

M$ now looks better.

How does Vista's muddled mess of overlapping translucent objects look better?

FWIW, these candy UI's are a fad. Bring back Apple Platinum or NeXT!

You don't know the history of stealing software. I do.

Just installed beta two of this POS on my spare work laptop. Holy crap what warmed over junk. Microsoft as usual has done everything poorly. Everything is slow and clunky. All lame ripoff's of whats been in past and current versions of OS X. Every window and every program that opens take up like 90% of the screen even at resolutions where its hard to see the buttons clearly and read the text.

I think the best thing you could say about Vista is its the best M$ systems since ME.

Jay, I don't care how tired you are of hearing that Microsoft had FUS first. You should have figured that out when I said Doing it right is more important than doing it first.
As for using systems that can have more than one person logged on at a time - which is only vaguely related to FUS - I've been using them since the '70s and FUS is a bit more than that.

Want a step ahead? Rip off Sun and HP for a change! Take a look at Common Desktop Environment! Right now I need to switch from my DL account to my Artist account to FUS from games and browsing to web site creation - just too crowded, otherwise. I should be able to have two, four, or even eight different "functions" without having to log in/switch again.

Much in the same way when i saw the first apple i thought 'that's from xerox' that's from xerox blah blah blah.

Until the 'insecurities' are revealed in VISTA, everyone should just drink a tall glass of shut-the-fuck up.

Put it this way... Whatever,whenever this M$ crap is released I am not interested in the slightest in EVER using it.

I believe in the M$ culture of copying theor competitors, ripping off people, releasing bug ridden and half-finished products (x-box 360 anyone?? - No. thought not..)

M$ culture is that of a spoilt bully.

They have no innovation at all. They green light projects with no viable market research, and therefore waste 100s millions of dollars on creating products that no one wants (because they have the money to waste to do it).

Origami was a classic M$ cock-up. A great opportunity TO CREATE SOMETHING NEW, what did they do?, they created a product with a touch display that (and get this folks...) you have to hold with 2 hands!

Doooh.. how the fuck can you use a touch display if you need two hands to hold the device in the first place!!

So to some up...


VISTA = dead in the water rippoff of very early Mac OS X.

I feel sorry for the sheep who are gonna buy this half baked rippoff.

One of the reasons I trust Apple is their customer service. I had a complex technical problem regarding a WAN and the guys at Apple were so helpful.

After spending 1hr talking to them they sorted the problem out, their communication was excellent, knowledge of everything to do with Mac was outstanding. They even ordered to collect the Mac and run dignostics at their centre - FREE of charge.

If this problem had been on a Windows PC, I honestly think I would never had ever sorted the problem out at all, and forget about any viable customer service from Dell or anyother pc maker.

Apple are everything M$ isnt, Apple create great and innovative products that makes life easier for everyone and this culture is obvious in all their employees too.

Without Apple, quite simply there would be no modern computer industry...

I'm sticking with Apple - period.

I'm looking forward to M$ releasing VISTA.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Apple is testing this beta in their laps now and making extensive lists of what features M$ have rippedoff from OS X and what Apple patents they have blatantly broken.

Expect VISTA to be released, and then the day after Apple launching a massive copyright claim and getting an injunction order within a week stopping all shipping of VISTA.

Hehe... fun times ahead.

Mr Peabody wrote:
"There's a frequent poster that likes to call him/her self "Realitycheck" or some such thing. Well here's a reality check. Inspite of everything OS X is still only about 5% of market share - blah blah blah. If things are going as well as I want to think they are for Mac, it seems that after a year of exponentially more publicity, a butt-load of new and awesome products, a Wall Street presence unparalled in Apple's history, and considering MS's latest behemoth, Mac should be tipping the scales toward a healthy 8-10% share... What's up?

Really, I just don't get it. We're still posting a relative 5% market share? Isn't the the consumer pc market bigger than the enterprise share? And if so, isn't the Mac growing a lot faster in the consumer market than the enterprise?"

Apple's approx. 5% market share is not bad at all when you consider that they only really compete in the consumer market, which makes up roughly 1/3 of the total computer market. If one were to look at Apple's share in the consumer market ONLY, they'd see that Apple hovers at around 18% market share, which is very good IMO, considering the competition (Dell, HP, Acer, Lenovo/IBM).

Also, please don't forget that there's a big difference between market share (which is a calculation of new computer sales per quarter) and installed user base. Apple users keep their computers longer than PC users, which affects market share.

5% is still a lot of computers. Plus it's not as if the next competition is selling all 95%. 5% is pretty good if you consider how many hardware companies there are selling computers.

All these comments about fast user switching has rekindled my favorite want for Leopard -- simultaneous users. You know, like what the old main frames used to do, allow multiple simultaneous users. Hook up a 2nd monitor, keyboard and mouse and let User#2 sit at the adjacent desk and have at it. Apple could make it an option in Leopard and charge more for it to offset the loss in hardware sales. It therefore wouldn't hurt their bottom line but it sure would help it for their customers.

Yeah its smelling of ripoffs in design, but then what else would any os naturally evolve too? A clock is a clock, a widget a widget, calendar, etc..

Its like the first tv comes out with several knobs for adjusting the tv and every tv after that has it. are the others copying or is that the most logical thing to do?

gzero and others - worldwide apple has between 2.2 and 2.5% market share.

With Apple going Intel and the ability to run Windows and Windows coming out with a OSX-looking eye candy Vista this is not good for Apple.
Apple is embracing Windows; Windows is looking like Apple OS the average consumer is saying I am buying a new computer with Vista on it....and it 98% most likely be a Dell or some other windows computer.

Yeah really. As some other posts have eluded to, could you imagine what Windows would be like if Apple never made an OS?

Ok so imagine this. Vi$ta is released the same time, or thereabouts, as Leopard. "Apple computer is suing Microsoft for patent infringement on their latest OS 'Vista.' The creator of the hugely successful iPod claims that features on Vista were 'blatantly stolen from Apple's own competing OS - 'Leopard'."

Now people are curious and may stop by the local Apple store to see the original and better version of Vista. That would be a great way for people to get interested in Leopard. They don't have to have an open and shut case, just stir up some controversy. And maybe they win a few. It'd be real nice if Apple started early and forced M$ to back up Vista once more. But I am not sure if Apple wants to get into a legal spending battle with M$.

BTW, is it called Windows Vista or Microsoft Vista? Isn't Windows Vista a bit of an oxymoron?

It's so pathetic that Microsoft has even gone so far as to copy the "Aqua"eque (blue) 3D buttons for use on many of it's windows.

MS Vs. Apple = Yugo Vs. BMW

You guys are getting worked up over nothing. No one cares but you "my mac is better, I am better than you" clones.

Remember the first car company that put radial tires on their autos? Remember the second one? Did everyone scream at the second car company you are just copying the first car company!

Remember the first car company that had ABS brakes installed or halogen lights or a navigation system or 8-track stereo. When the others did it, did everyone scream you are just copying the first car company!

Remember the first fast food joint that super sized your order? Then everyone did it. Did you stop going to Burger King because they copied the Supersize idea from McDonalds?

On and on and on - every company "borrows" ideas from others. That´s called progress.
Get over it and enjoy it. Maybe this "borrowing" by Microsoft will prod Apple to move a little faster to bring out some new ideas.

You aren´t going to convince anyone to buy an Apple computer by saying Microsoft copied ideas from them.

Hi,
Okay, here's the thing. When another OS uses a MacOS feature, you guys say "OMG THEY STOLE IT, UNORIGINAL BASTARDS. OSX FOR LIFE!"

And then when Apple steals from Linux and Windows, you guys say, "But Apple made it more elegant, so it's OK."

lol, oh, you crazy fanboys.

I like how you fanboys put OS X on a pedestal. Sorry guys, Steve Jobs already sold that pedestal to Intel, so please jump off it, you're all PC users now.

This has got to be the biggest bullshit website I have been to in a while.

the best label I have for you is Blind hate and btw, if you didn't know, STEVE JOBS IS A JERK! look it up.

and on that note:
Mac, nobody gives a shit lol
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?

a friendly little rebuttal from the Windows side =)