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The wow starts now.

Microsoft clearly sucks, they have more net worth then Apple, Inc but can't get their poop in a group.

Vista is not cheap $400 bucks for the premium if you own a Mac your looking at $100-$125 for the newest version of the MAC OS and it's always premium!

BUY A MAC!

What took u so long...

See how microsoft immediately scrambled its 'Security Response Center' ? See how they are exercising their superb innovative software skills to protect their customers' safety & security?

Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

Zune Tang? What do you say about this? Mac OS X has been out for years, and we haven't seen anything like this. Nada. Zip. Zero.

I think you need a new slogan as well. "Your potential, our passion" should be "Your potential, our problems" as users will get nothing but that installing Vista.

Dear Russian Hackers,

Please disable all Windows Vista computers.

In return we will send you American Brides.
The good ones from WI and IA.

Signed,

Mac using US

ps; Anything you can do about XP would be appreciated

The Ow starts Now.

This is my hometown. I saw "Norman Transcript" and thought, "it can't be..." but it is! Glad to see the reporting is accurate and sensible!

"but can't get their poop in a group"

Those darn groupless poopers!

Nonsense. Vista is bulletproof. The great and wise Bill Gates said so.

Compromise Vista? I'll believe it only when clear, independent evidence shows the magnificent and mighty Vista has been hacked. Until then, move along.

once you go vista you can go mac

Wow! New Vista Slogan: Your personal data. Leaked through our software.

MacDailyNews Take: Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. - Bill Gates, February 02, 2007, Newsweek



I wonder How true this possibly could be??

Your hacking, our sphincters.

Go Fester!
Go Bill!

The good news is that 1/2 of the installs fail, so those lucky bastards won't get cracked!

Vista.

Your Data. Our Hacks.

Welcome to the social.

HEAR ME NOW, MDN, BECAUSE IT WILL HAPPEN:

Microsoft will get sued by some big company for building a faulty product. This product is Vista and it will happen by the end of this year.

"I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."

Alrighty Bill, the score after less than a month is:
Hackers: 1 Vista: 0

Come to think of it, I haven't heard of an exploit on the Mac today Bill, have you guys? I thought Bill said it was every day?

Mac OS X has privilege escallation bugs as well.

Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. - Bill Gates, February 02, 2007, Newsweek

Just incredible. We should all send Billie Boy thnak you notes. His total lack of vision has created an environment where the Mac will prosper and multiply, much to our benefit.

Currently watching what is - to all intents and purposes - a fucking Vista infomercial on the allegedly ad-free BBC's Money Programme (19:00 GMT).

My favourite bit so far is that one of the people responsible for "platform experience" claims that she is really proud of the fact that they've removed the word Start from the "Start" button thus negating the acknowledged counter-intuitive action of clicking "Start" to shut down.

Now here's the sticky bit: a friend of mine who knows someone who knows someone working at the BBC was told that in a commissioning meeting that a programme documenting Apple's rise to dominance in the portable media sector and the forthcoming iPhone would be turned down as it would be seen as "biased".

The mind boggles.

My God. I was so disoriented with the thought of Vista being so completely overrun while 3rd party anti-virus people stared, cold and nosed-pressed against the windows that I began to dream dreams.... some strange and beautiful vision. I smelled perfume. I saw a flowing gown. I thought I was at a beauty contest. Then I saw the two toads.....and I thought....Reality is hard......real mother fking hard.

> Hackers: 1 Vista: 0

Well, since Vista is vulnerable to previously existing malware (not just new ones), I'd say the score for "Hackers" is a lot higher than 1.

As many have been predicting, Windows Vista is no more secure than Windows XP. It might even be less secure, since Microsoft made it harder for the security companies to interface their products. It seems Microsoft's main security "innovation" in Vista is putting in those "cancel or allow" dialog boxes to annoy the user and get them conditioned to hit "allow" without reading or thinking. Wow... that's awesome security.

@Wil,

Unfortunately, that won't happen. And the reason is easy: it's calles "End User License Agreement".

If you read it, you'll find out there's not legal way to sue a software manufacturer for they screw-ups. And Microsoft is a master in writing those.

In fact they are much better doing that than wrting software.

I'm sorry folks but if you are still taking your hard earned money and buying Microsoft software, you simply deserve the pain. I no I no longer feel sorry for you.

There I said it.



MDN Magic Word: "glass". MS Windows (95, XP, Vista, et al) = chewing on broken glass.

> Mac OS X has privilege escallation bugs as well.

Real world evidence suggests that, if there are such "bugs" in Mac OS X, they are sufficiently difficult to exploit into anything useful for the hackers. Even given the 5% to 10% market share for Mac OS X, there would have been a least a few dozen examples of such exploits on Mac OS X, where the Mac becomes a "robot" doing the hacker's bidding. There have been ZERO. Even the so-called "concept" malware in the labs do not come close allowing a covert "takeover" of the target Mac, and their potential for self-propagation is almost non-existant.

Fanatic Realist, yeah I watched that too! hilarious! What I thought was really wierd was the fact that they talked about google being a competitor, but no mention of Apple! I supposed it was to avoid any awkward questions. WOW, What a bunch of dicks.

MW: answer: Answer the question Gates. Why is OS X so much better than Vista?! ANSWER ME!
"well, you see... um, we are better than OS X because we use a mouse, which is a really revolutionary product that we created. We also created, um, lots of, um, things such as a nice-looking user interface and, um... oh what the hell... I don't give a shit because i'm fuckin' loaded!"

Since when did 'than & then' become interchangeable in the USA?

MW-brown. Come and squirt in my ear.

Well.... Was this discussed as an actual exploit in the wild?

And, from the page linked- "February 11, 2007 12:00 am"

Early April 1st, apparently. Anyway, it's only a matter of time before a wild exploit.

I am pleased that so many recent stories about problems with Vista seem to feature some sort of "shoulda bought a Mac" punchline. It's almost like the new journalistic shortcut: "To create dramatic conflict in your Vista story, be sure to get someone to say that the Mac doesn't have these problems." This is a very welcome trend.

Way to miss the real story, MDN. Vista — as great as it already is out of the box — is now being enhanced free of charge by the global online community of Windows enthusiasts. Now, anybody can be a super-user. This new capability augments the already generous and flexible privileges Microsoft provides us Vista users. Are Mac users “super”? I don’t think so. Do you ever get a helping hand from some friendly folks halfway around the world? No, you’re stuck with whatever Cupertino force-feeds you. With the quality of the engineering that went into Vista, I’m confident we’ll see plenty more of this helpful support from our international friends in the global village we call Vista.

Thanks for being so thoughtful, my Russian comrades, and say "hi" to my old friend Sputnik.

The whoops goes poop.

Your frustration. Our fault.

MW: This is a "serious" SNAFU.

This story is not surprising. I'm not at all shocked.

The BBC has excelled itself.. 30 minutes of Microsoft and Vista advertising. Only other company mentioned was Google (twice)!

Effing morons.

"they've removed the word Start from the "Start" button"

And that part of the Vista OS development only took three of the six years and $800 million.

During the first year, the button had "Sta" on it. Several million was spent on translators during that time.

Cancel took a year and a half and Allow was only 14 months. For awhile it looked like "Can All" and emergency development teams had to be assembled.

> Anyway, it's only a matter of time before a wild exploit.

It's been "a matter of time" for an "in the wild" Mac OS X exploit, for about the last five years. The fact that there have been ZERO is all the proof one needs. Even if some hacker comes up with one, it will require some unlikely combination of an outdated Mac OS X version, a third party wireless card and driver, and a dumb user willing to type in their password.

In any event, with Windows being such easy target, why would a hacker bother trying to break the much tougher Mac OS X?

So lets see, if the hackers find another "total exploit" within the next 19 days, then I guess some asshole in Redmond should be eating all the crows in Washington.

"Anyway, it's only a matter of time before a wild exploit."

I think the note left by the hacker who exploited QuickTime a few weeks ago told the tale, "So much effort for such little gain." Or something to that effect. Mac OS X's security derives from the secure underlying UNIX code - not market share! Ask a hacker, they will tell you.

My e-mail to …

Presumably the BBC got paid for that fawning, uncritical look at Microsoft's latest operating system or will you try to claim that the 60 seconds at the end constituted balance.

Where was the coverage of…

• the fact that many security programmes designed for Vista including Microsoft's own have been proven to be less than effective.
• the fact that Vista's much-vaunted "high-definition" functionality simply won't work because there are no video card/display combinations that will allow HDCP (copy-protected) content to work.
• Gate's blatant disinformation on his own product (HD, Vista being the only OS on the market to feature parental controls).
• the less than flattering coverage of Vista by many industry commentators
• the fact that many of Vista's more sophisticated features are only accessible in the higher-value editions (remember there are fourteen different variants to choose from) and that those functions are only made viable using much higher hardware specifications. It should also be noted that, even if you buy a new machine from a Windows OEM (Dell, HP et al), you will probably still face a software upgrade fee to achieve the highest level of Vista functionality.
• the competitors to Vista and Microsoft: MacOS platform computer sales are growing at several times the rate of growth of Windows OEM systems and have been for the last nine months or so. Linux continues to grow in the mission-critical sector and the public sector. Where was the coverage of these platforms or are they and Google going to have share thirty minutes in the programme next week.

Normally I defend the BBC to my friends who view the license fee as an anachronism, but - following your "infomercial" - that isn't going to be possible in the future until I see some programming which genuinely covers the industry in which I work in a fair and balanced manner.

You could have made a programme in the vein of Channel 4's specials on the Boeing 777, the Airbus A380 or the JSF competition and kept some dignity; instead you made a thirty-minute advert for a company that has been convicted on both sides of the Atlantic for illegally leveraging its monopoly status which is truly shameful. A cynic might jump to the conclusion that the fact that the BBC seems so determined to supply its on-demand services on Windows only (but for the intervention of the BBC Trust) might be connected to today's programme, but doubtless they would be wrong.

Let's see how that particular stick in the hornet's nest fares.

"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."

Is it just me or do Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer seem more and more desperate by the day! That quote is just dripping with denial.

Its friday afternoon and not being a slacker,
I'm busy reading this thread about a Vista hacker.
Gates claims Macs are hacked once a day
And Vista? He says absolutely no way.
So Bill for what I'm to tell you, you'd better sit
Vista's alreadybeen hacked, you silly little twit.

Way to spin it, Noraa. Mac OS X has privilege escalation attacks that REQUIRE A LOCAL ACCOUNT. Vista's privilege escalation attacks look to be REMOTE. There's a big difference between the two, so much so that claiming that "they're both privilege escalation attacks" is a fatuous statement.

'The ow stars now.' Unsquirted, that's bloody hilarious! =) Only covering 1 letter on vista posters... hmm...

Fanatic Realist:

Very nice, well reasoned (and calm) letter. Wonder if the BBC will actually do anything about it....?

is this what "Welcome to the Social" means?

ick

We have two patients. The first has a little finger bone crack: visible on X-rays. The second comes from a car crash: multiple fracture, broken spine, exposed radius and a cracked skull.

Technically, silly Noraa, we could well say both patients suffer from bone fractures. Technically.

MDN "longer". How longer will it take till Winsuckers will stop sucking?

John…

If they don't, the next step will be the BBC Trust and then Ofcom (the equivalent of the US FCC).

I'll keep you all informed.

WOW ( Stands for" WHY OH WHY")

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