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Mary who?

This woman is so out-of-touch with just about everything she writes about.

Also, she needs to change the horrible "smiley face" icon she has. It's as if she is soooooo proud of Microsoft that she's overjoyed.

Nov 20, 07 - 12:11 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

What a douche bag.

Mac users ALWAYS complain about Apple products. We Mac users complain with the hope that Apple will make their stuff even BETTER. That's just PART of the Mac experience!

So, what planet is SHE living on? Oh, I forgot she lives in Windows HELL.

well i'm not going to vista, but i wish I could go back to tiger.

the external with my tiger back-up just died today and i'm stuck in headache hell with leopard. i love os x, have been using it since the beginning, but gee golly this upgrade has been a nightmare for me. so many buggy things, and so little of it acknowledged elsewhere.

automator is falling apart, itunes and ipod stopped speaking, calendars don't sync, window views keep changing, wireless connectivity bugs, spotlight starting up every other day to re-index my 500 gb external drive (again and agian), safari running at 80% CPU, oh and don't even get me started on stacks .....

just my 2 cents, i should have waited a few months

Nov 20, 07 - 12:13 am Comment from: TowerTone

I thought Merry Joe was coffee and whiskey.......

Mary,
Your check is in the mail.

Nov 20, 07 - 12:17 am Comment from: Ferf Muckmeyer

FUD, FUD, FUD, FUD, and fscking FUD. Nothing more, nothing less. When the first incarnation of ANYTHING appears on the market, is it perfect? Only if you believe a cow shits on a toilet! Leopard was out at the end of October, and the first equivalent of a service pack, 10.5.1, came out mere weeks later. Where's SP1 for Vista? Up Steve Ballmer's fat ass, that's where.

Mary Jo, you are an idiot, and if you think anyone would go back to Vista at this point, you're high. You're probably part of the same moronic group that thinks that since the Zune appeared (briefly) as a bigger seller than the iPod on Amazon.com that the iPod's days are numbered (they dropped the price to get the thing out of inventory).

I just love shit like this. Mary Jo, maybe you should follow what Piper Jaffery is saying about Apple right now and you'll get a clue. Sheesh.

@JoJo

sounds like you have a case of the "something is terribly wrong with my system, maybe I should do a clean install". It sounds like there is something WAY more wrong going on than Leopard. I installed it on TWO machines (macbook and Mac Pro) and have yet to see one bug or issue. The only issue i had was with Parallels. But that was resolved with a reinstall of the app.

I don't think Leopard is your problem, it sounds like there is something else going on that you have not mentioned. I have not had ONE bug in regards to the system functions you mention.

Nov 20, 07 - 12:22 am Comment from: Ferf Muckmeyer

@Jojo

Have to agree with Doh to an extent. I did have some issues with slow boot-ups and shutdowns, but someone recommended to do an Archive and Install even over the upgrade I did to Leopard. That actually did the trick. Very few problems since.

Ferf

Take it easy guys.

Zune Tang and I explore our potential and our passion together on hot webcam love running on vista. And sometimes the aero is more titillating that Zune's Tang, but I digress.

Nov 20, 07 - 12:38 am Comment from: Realist

Have fun with Mary Jo, but remember this:

What she is talking about is what you get when you set your standards to be better than the worst.

Inevitably, the time comes when you can't really tell the difference.

Nov 20, 07 - 12:41 am Comment from: Regular Reader

Yet another nobody who knows nothing writing pure crap. Although after reading the comments (yes, I sadly visited the blog), I can see the type of audience that she's addressing. I'm willing to bet that she suffers from other Fraudian problems as well. I.E. _____ envy. You fill in the blank.

Nov 20, 07 - 12:42 am Comment from: shen

wow, that is some stretch....

even the most vocal MS supporters i know think that vista is garbage and beyond repair. even the most tepid of Apple supporters i know, at worst, suggest Leopard needs a few fixes.

i wonder where she hears this stuff. or is she just pulling it out of her arse?

meanwhile, on the side bar it says "Vista woes lead IT pros to Macs, Linux."

interesting....

I will be happy with Leopard...when they fix the FREAKING POPING SOUND IN MACBOOKS!!!

You know it is sad when Dvorak has a death watch on Vista, and this sort of "journalism" is going on.

For the record, there are TWO programs that keep me from running Leopard. The major one is Protools. Hopefully it will work soon.

Actually, she is the next Rosie O'Donnell. Probably some sort of Apple conspiracy in making Leopard buggy. There has to be. It makes no sense otherwise.

Wonder if she is lesbian as well.........

Nov 20, 07 - 01:12 am Comment from: toby

I have to say that the Leopard bugs are getting REALLY annoying.

The Secure Empty trash still doesn't work. Auto log on in Safari still doesn't work. The hang time on Safari is just plain awful. It caches WAY too much memory, which leads to massive OS slow downs. And who in the heck designed the GUI? Safari looks more like Firefox (the ugliest browser on the market) than the sleeker hipper Camino.


And the Cover Flow is still very buggy.


But still, why would that make me go to Vista? Tiger, sure, XP maybe, but Vista?


That's wishful thinking...like what would I buy if I won the Lottery.

Nov 20, 07 - 01:23 am Comment from: Macintosh

Is this even a real person? It says she's been covering technology for 20 years... Is that true? Couldn't they just invent someone like that to get page hits?

For me to even be able to contemplate that shows how absurd that article is.

This Mac is too buggy...I'm gonna go get an HP with Vista and leave OS glitches behind once and for all!

Nov 20, 07 - 01:24 am Comment from: drz

@jo jo / Toby

Consider starting from scratch. Was having some problems in Tiger (e.g. trouble waking from sleep, etc). Installed Leopard which resulted in bigger problems (such as running apps without their main windows opening). So I did an Erase / Install, reimported my backed up files (email was tricky) - Leopard now works better than all prior releases.

Nov 20, 07 - 01:36 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

Hey, Leopard's only at 10.5.1 ferchrissake.

It took Tiger until 10.4.4 to be really good.

I'm waiting for a few things to get Leopard compatibility AND for another Apple update before making the move full time. I'm also waiting for a new 1TB 2 disk LaCie RAID hard drive for Time Machine.

I did install it on an external hard drive to get a feel for it. It's not too bad, so far. It's certainly faster than Tiger, but then, none of my haxies work, so time will tell. maybe I'll learn to live without them. I've got a few complaints about the interface, but I want see what third party developers cook up and what Apple fixes,too!

Also, any time I do a big system upgrade, like THIS, I run Cocktail, then Disk Warrior, then CLONE my hard drive. Erase that cloned drive, THEN do a clean install and run the Migration Assistant after the system install. Sure it takes more time to do it, but my big system upgrades have usually been pretty smooth and trouble-free - (knock on wood).

I suspect more than a few people on these boards have a financial stake in moaning about Leopard. Perhaps only a few very busy people.

I feel obliged to say that I for one, my wife for another, my brother for another, and a friend for yet another, in short everyone I know using Leopard, have all been very pleased with Leopard and wish to relate our very positive experiences with the new OS.

We backed up Tiger and did an Erase & Install of Leopard.

- There have been no popping sounds on my wife's MacBook, my brother's MacBook, my friend's MacBook or my MacBook Pro.
- Calendars and Contacts have been syncing through iTunes to my iPhone fine and through .Mac between our two computers without a single issue, just as in Tiger.
- Wireless connectivity has been just as reliable as ever.
- Not once has Spotlight attempted to re-index my entire 500gb external drive, which is nearly full of media.
- Above all, Safari and the other key included apps are all clearly opening much faster and performing well.
- I was floored by Automator's new Record capability, which worked exactly as you would imagine the couple of times I've used it and makes Automator MUCH easier and faster to use.

And go on and get me started on Stacks...
- With Stacks, by simply Command-clicking on the Stack in the Dock, I have my hierarchical menus in the Finder like everyone else that misses it from Tiger. If information is buried in Hierarchical menus, it is actually faster, not slower, to access what I'm after from Stacks this way using the Finder than it was in Tiger from the Dock's hierarchical menus because the Finder window provides contextual information like Date Modified, Kind, and Size that speed up the search.

For hierarchical menu navigation in the Finder, simply leave the second (or even the fourth) Finder view selected. Unlike Tiger, Leopard now applies the last Finder view universally to all Finder windows, which I believe is an improvement and easier to keep straight.

What's more, everywhere I turn in Leopard, there are dozens and dozens of nice, little oft-unnoticed unmentioned enhancements and improvements to the simplest of things that improve on an already great OS.

All told, I have been very impressed with the maturity and stability of this release and have had no problems to write or moan about. Kudos to the Leopard team for your great work!

Leopard works flawlessly for me. So all this sounds like FUD to me.

Nov 20, 07 - 02:01 am Comment from: SKY LARK

Keep digging Mary Jo Fooley.

China is your quickest exit.

This is just another case of Vista evangelists trying to find something bad to write about Mac and Leopard. I know leopard is not perfect and has its issues as does every new OS. I personally have had no problems with it on both a new 2.8ghz iMac alum and an old 1 ghz ibook g4. This is nothing more than the press trying to get readership and web hits. I use Vista every day because I program windows as a contractor. No choice...everyone I contract with uses windows. All you have to do is use Vista for a day to dump msoft and move to Mac! My advice is to take a deep breath, and realize that these people have an agenda....its called keeping your job! Vista will require alot of support and technical personnel. These people are desperate to save thier jobs. The magic of msoft has been the amount of employment they have created with a faulty OS. Apple is a serious threat to that employment and they will got much more vocal and furious as time goes on. If you want to give up your 70k /year job fixing "issues"...please raise your hand.......

Nov 20, 07 - 02:15 am Comment from: toby

And let's talk about the style for a second.


Gray. 70's purple Star Burst. More gray. Lots and LOTS of gray. Gray scale....



Not that I hate it as much as I find it a bit oddly dated with bland undertones.

Nov 20, 07 - 02:27 am Comment from: toby

Comment from: drz

"Consider starting from scratch. Was having some problems in Tiger (e.g. trouble waking from sleep, etc). Installed Leopard which resulted in bigger problems (such as running apps without their main windows opening). So I did an Erase / Install, reimported my backed up files (email was tricky) - Leopard now works better than all prior releases."

Yeah I did do that and it help with the critical bugs. But the ones I stated above are still outstanding bugs.


But the truth of the matter, not one bug so far is a deal breaker.


And for an example of the difference between Leopard and Vista....

Leopard and Vista had something in common last week: They both released their first update for their OSs.


It took Apple only 20 days for Leopard's first update.


It took Microsoft 1 year for their first update for Vista.


By the time Vista is stable, Apple will be on 10.6

I remember the boards being full of disasters with every update to OS 9. I never experienced a one. Neither did the majority of usersAnd my FrankenMac was as decked out as any Beige PowerMac could possibly be. There will always be people for whom an upgrade goes badly. There will always be, no offense, people who screw up their systems.

But to compare the underwhelming complaints about Leopard to the acknowledged disaster that is Vista is, well, I don't know what it is. I've run out of adjectives for the stupidity of Microsoft's shills.

Nov 20, 07 - 02:57 am Comment from: Macaday

Only Mary Jo Foley and handful of other nutters could possibly argue that a piece of cheese is better value and longer lasting than a diamond, even one with a few rough edges yet to be polished out.

"Leopard was out at the end of October, and the first equivalent of a service pack, 10.5.1, came out mere weeks later."

Apple released alpha software to hit their dates, hoping the development teams would have fixes out before anyone noticed.

Leopard's now a that late beta/release candidate stage. Give Apple another 6 months or so and they'll get it to the point where the most serious bugs are gone and it's almost production grade software.

Being a Mac user myself, I hardly agree with most of the comments here. Apple is currently bashing on Vista even with the latest Get-A-Mac spots but Vista did never show any kind of symptoms of which Macbook users etc. suffered from (e.g. non-functional keyboard).

While I am sure that this will not drive users to Vista, it is obvious that Apple should better be a little less agressive when it comes to comparisons (cough-cough... Firewall anyone?) and it was also good to follow up with a service pack asap.

With every major Apple software release, we experience incompatibilities with some software products which then require updates (or people to wait until they are ready) - on Vista, I still managed to run my poor old DOS database system without any trouble...

Nov 20, 07 - 03:20 am Comment from: trex67

Being critical of a few bugs in Leopard just proves that Mac fans aren't the Kool-Aid drinkers we're accused of being. Any chance I'll switch to Vista? Never.

Actually, I haven't experienced any of the problems I've been reading about - I'd give 10.5.0 an A, an 10.5.1 an A+. OK, I'm not as objective as I suggested. Sue me.

Great to hear you have problems with your Mac. I have never had problems with my Mac,,But then I dont install crapware on them either. Being a WIndows Developer myself I find is laughable that you still have a DOS program that you need to run on Vista...I would have hoped that Msoft had the gusts to rip DOS out of the OS by now ,,, lets see its only Nov 2007. WHy is Vista a POS well its because it still runs crap ware like DOS apps... that is not something to be proud of. That is a disgrace to the developers of Vista. Apple has my respect for killing OS9 and Killing Carbon. Time marches on and so does technology. To keep playing to the idiots that dont upgrade thier software to run on the new OS after what? 20-30 year is laughable and idiotic. I expect that your the type that wants to keep your pinto or vega running in 2007! Get a life or at least a book on the new programming languages and get rid of your DOS crap.

TOM

Nov 20, 07 - 03:42 am Comment from: hagar57

""Apple advocates are doing the unthinkable: They’re complaining publicly about a new Apple product release," Mary Jo Foley writes "
She must have come across one of those glossy-screen rants.

Nov 20, 07 - 03:56 am Comment from: HolyMackerel

Switching back to Vista is as simple as holding down the option key on start up.

Windows fanboys and fangirls are like people who turn around to a different conversation whenever they hear their name mentioned and only listen to the praise.

Mac users complained about needing a strong foundation and we got NeXt/MacOS X. Linux users complained about a good user interface and they got Ubuntu. Windows users never complain, but put up with what they get and so they got Vista.

Thats another thing I dont like is the winers about the glossy screen! I LOVE the glossy screen...and the glass instead if that crappy plastic screen they used to sell along with DELL and GATEWAY. The colors are sharp...the text is sharp and the overall appearance of the screen is great. If you like the Crappy plastic dull display I am sure that DELL is happy to sell you one... since they are so cheap and fade the colors so well. Go to any TV store and look at what the new 1080p displays are made of...I can guarantee they are not made of flat plastic that fades the colors out! Quit complaining about things you know nothing about. Yes glossy screens reflect.... how many Plasma and LCD TV owners are returning thier nice 65 inch tv because of the reflection? Get a grip and welcome to 2007!!

I've read about too many problems to risk doing the Leopard upgrade. That doesn't mean I'd ever go back to Windows. Vista is Windows 3.1 in stability and frankly even after 15 years the pain is still there.

My problem is that in December I'm due to buy a Intel iMac. I won't be buying it unless I have the Tiger option. I need this computer for work and my wife would kill me if it affects the online grocery purchases. I know it may sound petty but I'm pretty unimpressed with Leopard thus far. It may do this and that but I want one function…it has to work seamlessly.

The bottom line is that Tiger on an Intel iMac, a refurbished/superceded model or I keep using Tiger on my G5 iMac. And there's one thing I can say about Tiger…it just works

Well I can say one thing about Leopard...it just works! Everyone that is having problems I suspect has also added software that alters the OS and causes problems with upgrades. I have have upgraded every Mac since 2001 and have never had a problem. I know there are people out there that like to install utilities and mods to the UI and all sorts of crap. If you stay with what apple provided.. and install only legit software you should have no problems. If you do have issues, call apple... but if you have mods installed.... game over....

Nov 20, 07 - 04:55 am Comment from: Macjammer

Mary's article was hilarious - Windows apologists abound.

As morals go, only Microsoft was the one that allegedly contracted a smaller software company (not Apple, of course) to develop some code and then Microsoft did not pay the dues, caused that smaller company to fold and then used the code as though it was (technically it is, once the company folded) their own creation.

That is how Microsoft does business, the dirty way that would make the Mafioso proud. Call that the moral high ground?

So its iDon't or iWon't for MS!

As I write this on my MBP running Leopard so smoothly and immediately updated with 10.5.1 in a fraction of the time that it took Microsoft to come up with a beta of Vista SP1, I'm simply amazed at Apple's ability to come up with such a fantastic operating system not just for the client and server but for hand-held devices as well. Microsoft can only wish that through out the thousands of programmers and thinktanks that they employ, they could come out with a system as elegant as Leopard. Sure there were a few snags but they were squashed in unprecedented record time! My hat is off to Apple and I wish them the best for the new year and plan on enjoying this amazingly incredible voyage through the millenium. Keep thinking different!

"Very few Softies or their loyal followers are gloating publicly"

That's because it's hard to hear the voices of about a half dozen people in such a large world.

No amount of campaigning can erase the perception - based on fact - that Vista is a eunuch.

She is just a M$ shill, like so many millions of morons out there... oh well evolution takes its time!

Never let a woman write about technology. They are out of their depth.

Nov 20, 07 - 06:31 am Comment from: Ampar

Don't be fooled.

That's obviously Rob Enderle in drag.

Mary Jo makes Dvorak and Enderle look reasonable.
Her whole initial premise is ridiculous. Apple advocates have complained publicly since... I dunno... 1984? She's like a certain president who couldn't separate famous movie scenes from actual history.

On the subject of Vista (yes I do some
Windows development).

The stupid nuances of what looks better and this feature or that feature distracts us from things SO obvious, the press misses them.

6 versions of Vista means you will probably buy/install the wrong one and have to upgrade. You will discover this because you spend hours looking for something a dialog refers to, only to eventually google it and discover it is not in your version of Vista. That document will be some forum or newsgroup -- MS never clearly tells you what is in what.

My quest for the cheapest target platform possible to deploy and test of Vista has lead me to a $450 box with a $300 OS, $750 total. (Yes to remote debug you need an expensive version.) The equivalent Mac, of course is the mini at $600. And that Mac INCLUDES developer tools.

A huge difference between the mac and pc worlds is that the pc world is full of more choices. That sounds like a good thing. But every choice is an opportunity to get something wrong. And if a software developer can have this much difficulty... well... we're back to Windows being an OS for the IT department.

The joke about the 6 versions of Leopard (all in one box for one price) is really on the mark. Nothing like finding out you have to upgrde the OS on your brand new PC.

Nov 20, 07 - 06:54 am Comment from: ken1w

Vista is (and will be for the next five years) the best thing to happen to Apple since the return of Steve Jobs. Leopard is a great release, but it won't help Apple as much as the negative impact of Vista on Windows market share over time. By the time Microsoft has something else to take Vista's place, Apple will have released two more major releases.

The fact that Mac users are speaking out about certain features we don't like in Leopard is a good thing. It shows that there is no such thing as the "cult" of the Mac. On the other hand, most Windows users will STILL just follow the herd and buy a Vista PC without even considering other OS options. However, Vista is so bad compared to Leopard (or even Tiger) that more and more consumers will be making a conscious choice (instead of a "default" non-choice) and getting a Mac.

Nov 20, 07 - 07:07 am Comment from: LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

ZDNet, again, eh? Recently it has become clear that the ZDNet overlords have been pressuring their writers to say anything to smear Apple and promote their sugar daddy, Microsoft. Th liquid manure being pumped out by that declining Microsoft shill publishing empire jumped an order of magnitude a short while ago. The bozo bosses must be in a panic at the prospect of their own financial demise as victims of the Apple juggernaut. Screw them.

it seems to me, people having issues with leopard have gone the upgrade route.

having done an archive-and-install on three macs, including two intel and one g4, i've had no real problems except for the repairing permissions issue (it takes ten minutes on my MBP, longer on the others).

Come on , you all know we need a tech version of The National Enquirer and that's clearly ZDNet (CNET).

Thanks for the goofy but entertaining writers you have at ZDNet, never accurate but always worth a chuckle.

Oh give it a break MDN. You're no different than Dvorak, Enderle and every other journalist you denounce. You're all of them and more so.

MDN is populist to the extreme, not given to honest reporting or aggregating and incapable of reasonably objective opinion.

Darn, and I forgot to Think before I Clicked to come to this site.