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Dec 12, 08 - 05:00 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

I hope it spreads and bites a bunch of people in the ass. IE is the worst browser in the market. It has so many users only because of lazy uneducated lemmings that don't have the wit to understand how bad the built-in out of the box MS solution is.

I must say that Safari on Windows sucks. Even slower than Internet Explorer IMO.

@Larry,

Slower to start up? Yes, that's because IE is always running, so it's already started.

Slower to render pages? That'll depend on the page. Which pages can you offer us to use for comparison?

I've tried making alternate browsers my default, but keep coming back to Safari. It just feels right.

"...repeatedly punch yourself in the face for ever booting up Internet Exploder."

@MDN - where do you guys come up with these lines....OTFLMAO....

Dec 12, 08 - 05:46 pm Comment from: HMCIV

IE Password Virus? Uh-oh!

Someone call Sophos and let them know they need to publish a warning about Safari. The browser's getting un-obscure enough someone might just write a virus for it. And we all know Safari is potentially the most potentially insecure browser ever. (potentially)

Here it comes, I expect a Safari vulnerability any second now! Wait for it... wait for it... [holding breath] wait for it... wait for it... [Brain... losing Oxygen!!] weight four it... weight four it...! [GASP!!]

Dec 12, 08 - 05:50 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

IE has literally killed pure CSS. The best way to design a web site. But since 70% of your potential audience is using crummy IE we are stuck, as developers with tables. What a joke.

Dec 12, 08 - 05:56 pm Comment from: Jubei

Alternate browser? He should just say alternate OS like Mac OS X, and keep Windows under BootCamp or Virtual if you have to.

@coolfactor:
Take no offense. I use Safari full time on my Mac, but I find that on Windows, Safari is not the same snappy (haha) thing as on OS X. It hangs right before finishing loading a page and sometimes doesn't finish at all. Also, Safari has a slight blueish tinge when on Windows which bothers me. The pages I visit are mostly Mac and tech related sites like Macdailynews, Engadget.

Dec 12, 08 - 06:06 pm Comment from: 7over

Note that almost 100% of the sites known to be using this exploit are in .cn domains ... at least today anyway.

Tomorrow is a whole new world!

@mac-nugget:
You are so right. It makes me wonder how the web might be today if people had the flexibility of using web standards. We could be at web 3.0 by now.

"with Safari: the fastest, easiest-to-use web browser in the world."

Sarari the fastest? Firefox absolutely blows it away on all of my Macs.

I am just learning web design, and I am sticking with learning XHTML and CSS. Even though most people use IE, there is no way I am bending over backwards trying to get a page to work in a deliberately non-standards compliant piece of crap like Explorer. Using Explorer? Sorry. Try a real web browser like Safari or Firefox.

Dec 12, 08 - 07:25 pm Comment from: ken1w

Microsoft should make the next version of IE into a Webkit browser. Microsoft will somehow mess that up too, but it will be better than what the unfortunate majority of Windows users use today (by default).

"Apple style, with Safari: the fastest, easiest-to-use web browser in the world. "

Safari is such a turd. Most people who buy a Mac are running Firefox within a week.

Supposedly IE 8 will be web compliant, after more than 10 years of trying to shove IE down our throats as the standard. Ironic that it was IE that made so many people demand web standards.

Fortunately there are options, Firefox has it's issues also. As long as there is competition between the browsers we'll be reaping the rewards for years. Complacency is what's killing Microsoft, if it wasn't for it's competitors we'd still be on IE 3.

Perception of snappiness is subjective, but by the stats and when tested ... yeah Safari is faster than Firefox.

@ SafariTurd

I work in an all Mac environment with about 3-400 users and about 10% use FireFox. Safari is currently faster (and likely to remain that way), so it's kind of a no-brainer.

Complacency is what's killing Microsoft

Someday MS will be like the Detroit automakers, panhandling Congress while imminent bankruptcy looms.

And like Detroit, MS won't get serious about fixing things until they're in irreversible crisis.

We might have President Chelsea Clinton before it happens, but rest assured MS's judgment day is coming.

Dec 12, 08 - 08:57 pm Comment from: auren

Firefox? Nope... Camino maybe. But I prefer Safari.

Dec 12, 08 - 09:15 pm Comment from: jjjj

I use Google Chrome more and more on my work Dell.

Safari for PC just is not that great... Except, you can set the dev tools in the preferences... just like on a mac, and you can forge the client browser...

I just trashed Firefox on my MBP. I only used it for one IE compliant newspaper site but I kept getting pop-unders even with AdBlock. I'll never have it again. Safari stays on my Mac.

Dec 12, 08 - 11:19 pm Comment from: Mac Daddy

Microsoft=Turd.

The shareholders need to revolt, and get rid of that idiot Ballmer. Then they need to get somebody in there who will fix the turd that is Windows instead of engaging in idiotic pursuits such as yahoo, and since that turd IE is "part of the OS" fix that POS too.

Windows really needs to get good. I will, of course, continue to use Mac OS, but cripes, we need *something* that is remotely competitive, on the OS as well as the browser front.

Microsoft is our only hope for anything remotely competitive with OSX, and they are blowing it badly.

You hear that, MS? This Mac user *wants* you to make something good! For the love of God, sh!tcan Uncle Fester and get on it!!

/rant

The single greatest thing Microsoft could do for internet/PC security, would be to finally just throw in the towel on IE, push out an update to completely wipe it from everyone's hard drives, and tell everyone to start using another browser instead.

(For foolish companies who based their intranets on IE6, they could rebrand IE as "InTRAnet Explorer", and leave the inTERnet to programs which actually provide security for their users.)

Mac daddy,

Actually they need to keep Ballmer because in a negative sense he's the best thing going for the Mac platform. The positives are Apple and Steve Jobs and co.

"The single greatest thing Microsoft could do for internet/PC security, would be to finally just throw in the towel on IE,"

That's the second best thing they could do. The best thing they could do is remove the TCP/IP stack from windows, and get those millions of unsecurable systems off the net altogether.

-jcr

Dec 13, 08 - 03:50 am Comment from: MacRaven

@Mac Daddy
No, no, no. Ballmer needs to keep steering that ship right in to the currently scraping iceberg and ride it all the way to the bottom of the sea.

Dec 13, 08 - 09:56 am Comment from: rahrens

I use Safari, both on my Mac and on my work Lenovo laptop. I have no issues with hanging, blueness, or anything else. It just works, and better than IE.

How many times will i have to repeat it?
Now, read on my lips: D-OO-M-ED! DOOMED! Doomed... M$ is doomed. Give it 8 years to be cleaned off the last polluated PC and it'll be gone and forgotten.

Dec 13, 08 - 11:22 am Comment from: pipo

Safari is way slow, why not firefox and Opera that are really good?

I just got an email from a certain online bill-pay service I use and they were all in a panic to tell people that their site may have accidentally infected people with malware if they used it during a certain time window... and were running Windows.

Bwa ha ha. Saved by the Mac again. Though it doesn't inspire much confidence in this bill-pay service.

Mac Daddy,

MS, like Windows, is a disorganized aging mishmash.
Both have ingrained problems that are beyond anyone's ability to repair.
Both would have to be scrapped and replaced with a complete fresh start.
Both are deeply despised by their own customer base.
Neither are currently capable of countering Apple on any front.

Thus the saying "A product always reflects its creator".

Personally, I recommend a switch to FireFox, not Safari. Firefox is a much better browser with tons of 3rd party support.

Dec 13, 08 - 04:55 pm Comment from: Arnold Ziffel

Personally, I recommend a switch to Safari.

Firefox blows in comparison.

Dec 13, 08 - 11:20 pm Comment from: Derek in Milan

Safari is just a wee bit better than Firefox.
It looks better, is faster, and has better pop-up protection.

Safari - its all you'll ever need to piss off Ballmer and Gates.

"Safari for PC just is not that great..."

Safari for the Mac is not great either. Apple should let that festering turd die and ship Firefox as the standard browser.

"And its threading is poor "

You've probably notice that that's a feature of the way Apple writes software. iTunes has similar problems when compared to Windows Media Player.

You'd think with a good underlying OS like BSD Unix, Apple and other Mac software vendors would be better at writing applications that don't respond poorly when they're busy doing something in the background. But that's not the case, the Apple GUI has a very single app at a time paradigm and relies on vendors to be responsive for example quickly updating the one menu bar.

That's one big difference between OSX and Windows. The Windows multitasking experience and application switching is much smoother. It'd be nice for Apple to consider a redesign which moves the GUI past it's one app at a time roots.

It's amazing how the Microsoft Bloggers can change a Microsoft Bashing thread into an Apple bashing thread.

That $300 million advertising budget is not being completely pissed away for nothing in return.

"It's amazing how the Microsoft Bloggers.."

It's amazing how the Apple fanboys can remain completely deluded as to how well their favorite product stacks up against others.

Safari sucks as a browser on OS X and on Windows. Get Over It.

@ John C. Randolph

I stand corrected – your suggestion is indeed the better one!


@ HMCIV

HA! Somehow I missed your post earlier – even funnier now with all these off-topic posts bashing Safari for no adequately explained reason.


@@Al

Internet Explorer sucks as a browser, period – from version 1 to version 8 and beyond. Get over it.

Missed this one…

@ Single Tasking

What on earth are you talking about? You're apparently describing cooperative multitasking, which Apple hasn't used since the Mac Classic OS. Clarify, with sources, please?

"ou're apparently describing cooperative multitasking, which Apple hasn't used since the Mac Classic OS"

No, I'm describing how the whole user interface paradigm has not changed much since the Mac was a single app at a time platform with switching between applications.

One big difference is in Windows each window has it's own menu, and the taskbar allows quick switching between applications.

What is often one or two clicks in Windows takes 3-4 clicks and a lot of long distance mouse movement in Mac OS X.

Compare some actions like switch to an application and chose something on it's menu, ignoring shortcuts like alt-tab, command-tab or expose (still an extra click or keypress and hard to use when you have dozens of windows open).

If any part of the window is visible:

Windows: Click on that part, and move mouse a short distance to title/toolbar and choose an action.

Mac:

Click on the window, mouse all the way up to the top of the screen to get to the menu, hoping the app has caught up and changed the menu by the time you get there.

If it's not visible:

Windows: Click directly on application window on taskbar, mouse straight to the application.

Mac:
Click on the application in the dock, then if the window you wanted didn't come forward, mouse all the way to the top of the screen to choose the window menu, then drag down the menu to find the window you want, then go choose the menu item you wanted from the menu.

And then just working in the application, unless you maximize all your application windows, there's a lot more mouse movement to to get from the menu to the application window, or to go to the "one true resize point" rather than just any edge.

Additionally many OS X applications inconsistently use tabs, icons and (in the worst cases mixes of both) in settings dialogs. Additionally OSX is rife with different styles of window decoration and icons even within Apple supplied applications, and most OSX windows just look less finished.

Microsoft and vendors of applications for Windows have this GUI stuff much better figured out.

Additionally vendors don't seem to put the same time into OS X Applications as they do into Windows ones so the OS X applications feel clunky and unfinished compared to their direct windows counterparts.

And because OS X is sluggish swapping the top shared menu bar (yes, even on a 2.5GHz macbook pro with 4GB) there's additional delays and the feeling that you're stuck in molasses while using OS X and everything just seems to take a few more clicks, keypresses, mouse moves or actions to do.

For those who fire up one application, maximize it and stay in it all day, you probably never see these issues.

I have a list of twenty or so webcomics I visit every day. This morning three of the sites were replaced with a screen that said the site was apparently infected, and providing a link to a website with more information (and a .cn domain). The warning said something specific about Microsoft or Windows, but I didn't bother writing it down. Sorry.

If you click on 'continue' or 'cancel' you get another warning that you really, really shouldn't look at this evil site. Merely loading the page could damage your computer. Are you sure you don't want to go to this .cn website and learn more?

15% infection on professional (non porn) websites. This one's going to be big.