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$399.00? Do you get a free computer with that?

Don't forget to add in the cost of a new PC that is able to handle the better versions. I don't think a cheap PC is capable of running anything except the Basic edition. You might have to add RAM, too.

Man, if the "Macs are more expensive than PCs." myth isn't finally shot out of the sky with this news I don't know what will kill it.

They are making it very expensive for Mac users to buy a license to run Windows on their Mac.

The bulk of their operating system sales are the ones bundled on every Dell, HP, [insert crappy PC manufacturer here], etc...So the people who build their own computers, and Mac users are the main people that will feel the effects of this outrageous price for a mediocre OS.

I'm cranky because something happened to me.

On another site, somebody said that they'd wait until SP1 (duh!) if they were going to buy Vista.

That's probably fair enough, because if you go to the Vista site at Mediocresoft and check out the various editions, SP1 will be out by the time you work out which version you want and/or need (delete as applicable depending on gullibility).

I wouldn't say it's the most confusing product matrix I've ever see, but it's shooting pretty darn close.

Quit hawking my name

Hmmm...
$399 Vista + a subscription to Norton Anti-Virus or a whole new Mac Mini for $599. Better off throwing the old PC on eBay and keeping the monitor, keyboard and mouse.

Buy XP while you still can!

Wow, you can get a refurbed G4 mini for $429, with Tiger at the Apple Store.

" . . .Vista could be delayed if the operating system, now in beta testing, isn't up to the company's standards."

That's meaningless. They make up their own standards as it suits them and then forces them down everyone's throat. IE only websites?

The padding in the Vista price is to make up for the loss of tens of thousands of shattered office chairs.

"...Vista could be delayed if the operating system, now in beta testing, isn't up to the company's standards."

So why isn't it out now?

Man, that list is almost as long as the standard MDN Related Articles links!

PP

What happened to you?

Ampar:
Don't forget all of the money on towels and laudering services.

Amazon, you have a lot of faith in Microsoft. I suppose it's OK, since you won't be charging credit cards until the product actually ships.

As everyone can clearly see, the $129 price that Apple charges for new Mac OS X releases in-the-shrink-wrapped-box, is considered an "upgrade" price. Why does that make sense... since every Mac comes with a version of the OS, everyone who is buying a "box" is upgrading their Mac's OS.

Maybe this will force Apple to offer a Mac OS X Tiger upgrade for $99.95.

I'd be curious to see the differences between "Home Basic" and "Home Premium" to see which one is more akin to Tiger...

Hey all you PeeCee users:

Here is the list of OS X system versions for you to choose from:

OS X Single User $129.00
OS X Family Pack $199.00
(same but...errr. more copies)

OS X Server (10 User) $499.00
OS X Server (Unlimited) $999.00
(same but...errr. unlimited users)

Also keep in mind that Apple does not require you to pay seat licenses for each user connected to the server.

Did I forget to mention that OS X comes with Apache, MySQL, Ruby, Rails, and many other features that Windows does not and will not have when Vista ships?

http://www.apple.com/getamac/

What a nightmare of confusion coming to the Windows platform. Everyone was complaining about a measely $129.00 for OSX. $399.00 is three times that. I guess they have to make up for six years lost and it could be seven from what I'm hearing as the beta 2 isn't stable yet nor can it even run antivirus software yet. I think that is a major problem if they can't get antivirus software running on Vista. To many choices and to expensive is what I see. Then there is the point of the existing hardware which won't be up to the task of running it with any decent performance. I just can't see anyone jumping on the VIsta band wagon when it is going to cost so much to do so. New operating system plus new computer that can't just be your basic cheap PC anymore because Vista won't run it if is.

I like Apple's systems more and more.

Torrentz time!

I had expectations. And they weren't met once! So, I won't buy Apple products again. It's all their fault.

It's all their fault!!!!

It’s time to play Spot the Numbskull kiddies! No doubt, Amazon will find ’em. :rolleyes:

And they won't offer an upgrade, even though it's really important to me!


AAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Finally!

Our best efforts to copy Mac OS X will finally payoff and Apple will begin it's slide into oblivion. (yea right)

Thank you Apple for giving us a great OS to copy, like we always have.

BECAUSE WE AT MICROSOFT ARE JUST DUMB COPYCATS.

Look at our new trademark, think our copy will work?

Fails4Sure™

And then there is the hardware ugrades what going to be needed - at a min a good video card and more, much more ram! Sure makes a Mac look better by the hour.

Well, I'm wondering what happens to all those mindless individuals who give their money to Amazon, and then (hopefully) Vista never comes out!

I have been an Apple user long before some of you were dirty thoughts in your dad's mind, and what I STILL do not understand is why I'm reading about so many of you MAC users wanting to even fuck around with Windows of any kind on your MAC. What part of "dumb" do you NOT understand?

I have now returned my soapbox to the closet.

Heck, you could almost buy a Mac for the price of Windows Vista

This is a beautiful chess game with apple as the grandmaster and microsoft as a pawn chucker. Apple is slowly edging into position with a new line up of iPods, upgrades across the range, Leopard to launch in November, big Google alliance, iTunes radical changes, remove all the reasons to buy any other box and advertise. All of this is poss. without the iPhone and big vid pod. When things get confusing it is the easiest solution that wins. Steve has the final play all worked out . . . . checkmate.

True, rasterbator. Also, Ballmer's quick lube service that has nothing to do with cars.

LOL! I ditched Windows over 7 years ago! ROTFLMAO!!!!!

I LOVE IT!

Bend over Windows users!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!

Mac OS X v10.0 (Cheetah)
Mac OS X v10.1 (Puma)
Mac OS X v10.2 (Jaguar)
Mac OS X v10.3 (Panther)
Mac OS X v10.4 (Tiger)
Mac OS X v10.5 (Leopard)

Lets see $129 x 6 = $774

hummm... Vista's price tag isn't looking so bad

Hey if you are gonna put the crappeist consumer OS in the world on your system you might as well blow the wad.

This is what we are talking about; Paying the highest price for the crappiest OS available to consumers. SOLARIS is better than WIndoze. AIX is better than WINDOZE...etc.

If you insist on owning a Windoze ready machine and you do mission critical work, the least you can do is get a free version of Linux and a boot/partition manager.

Correction...Puma was a free up grade to Cheetah... so 5 x 129=$645

Trolls are funny, sad little people. They remind me of circus freaks.

Let's see:

Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Me
Windows 2000
WIndows XP Home
Windows XP Professional
Windows XP Media Edition
Windows Vista this
Windows Vista that
WIndows Vista whatever
Windows Vista who gives a shit



hummm... get a Mac

I've been a die hard mac user since '96 (as I am sending this on my Brand new Mac Book Pro 2 Ghz Intel Core Duo that APPLE GAVE ME FREE LAST MONTH) I Love my mac... but shelling out $129 every year or so isn't cheep.

True, it isn't cheap. But the difference between Mac and Windows OS upgrades are that with Windows, you're getting the same pre-packaged, ripped off shit that Microsoft has been pushing around for years, only with a nicer (if you'd call it that) GUI.

With each iteration of OS X, you're practically getting a new system altogether. New features that actually work, more stability, smoother GUI, and not to mention speedier hardware.

The upgrade is worth it. And besides, you aren't forced to upgrade to stay in the game either.

Hey tj, at least you have the OPTION of upgrading your system every 12-18 months with Apple. It's your choice.

But heck, you could have bought any computer that shipped with 10.0, upgraded for free to 10.1, and then upgraded to Tiger for $129. Total cost: computer plus Tiger.

With Windows, you can only sit, twiddle your thumbs, and hope for the neverending beta to end. And try out a service pack every couple years. :p

Total cost: endless frustration...

This pricing actually seems like a way for Micro$oft to buy more time.

If they price it too high most people won't upgrade, then it gives them more time to work out the shitty code and then offer it for less 6 months down the road, without too many people bitchin' about how much it sucks!

Good gracious. What a colossal waste of money! And why in the heck must they have so many versions?!?!?! I'd like to have a #3 Windows combo please. WTF?!! K.I.S.S.

Comme mes amis quebecois disent, "Les gens qui achetent Windows, ils sont foques dans leur tetes!"

"Vista could be delayed if the operating system, now in beta testing, isn't up to the company's standards."

IOW, if Vista gets delayed again, that means it's worse than Windows ME (a shipped OS that apparently met "the company's standards").



Makes ya really wonder how bad things at MS will need to get before people finally notice.

Seems like most people would be better off switching to linux on their PCs and running their stuff in WINE or finding a FOSS equivalent or just getting a Mac. Of all the videos Ive seen of Vista and the complaints from beta users I am not interested in what windows has to offer for the future. Consumers need to stand up and start being more vocal about what they want their software to do and stop allowing MS to dictate what they should be used to. But I think Apple is in the same boat to an extent. There are lots of features that we their users want to be added and yet we continue to wait or for those of us that understand programming or at least know how to compile code from online repositories we find other sources for our needs.

Seems to me rather than list each version of Vista (and it's four sub-(standard) versions)), they should make it easier for PC users to choose which version to go for and do a list of PC processor types/installed RAM configurations, and recommend what version of Vista people should get.

Like:
Core Duo/lots of RAM – Vista Business/Ultimate
Pentium 4/enough RAM to run anti-malware programs – Vista Home Basic/Premium
Anything else - get a Mac!

TJfoam:

Interesting, tallying the price of each version of OS X over time. Now, do the same with each NT-based Windows OS beginning with Windows NT (circa 1993). Also, please convert OS X and NT-based Windows prices to current U.S. dollars accounting for inflation. This would provide a more accurate and less biased comparison. Thanks.

What a mess. Who wants to figure out which purchase they should make. Does it really need to be this complicated?

I am curious to see if Leopard will use the 'Honor System' for licensing as Mac OS always has. I have not heard that it won't so that is always something that blows away prospective Mac users. They cannot believe that you don't need a serial number to run the OS.

"delayed if the software is not up to Microsoft standards"? There are no standards at Microsoft. They release anything and everything, then try to patch the hell out of it to fix the bugs!!

Get a Mac!

TjFoam spewed "Mac OS X v10.0 (Cheetah)
Mac OS X v10.1 (Puma)
Mac OS X v10.2 (Jaguar)
Mac OS X v10.3 (Panther)
Mac OS X v10.4 (Tiger)
Mac OS X v10.5 (Leopard)

Lets see $129 x 6 = $774

hummm... Vista's price tag isn't looking so bad"

I bought Windows Vista Home Basic Full for my iMac for $199.95. Oops! Not the right one! I then bought Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade for $159.00. Oops! Still not the right one! I then bought Windows Vista Business Upgrade for $199.00. Man, still not the right one! Then I bought Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade for $259.00. I'm getting closer. I then bought Leopard for $129. Hey, it actually works!

hmmmm....

In the quote,

"When will your copy of Windows Vista be ready? Amazon.com says it will be released Jan. 30, in line with earlier announcements from Microsoft. Executives at the software giant have warned, however, that Vista could be delayed if the operating system, now in beta testing, isn't up to the company's standards."

There is a major typo. The phrase "company's standards" should be in quotes, then followed by long periods of laughter.

oh apple is awesome, the stock is going to go higher,

Windows Vista sucks so bad Microsoft wont even tell you about it. Want to see what "Features" Microsoft has included? Their website won't show you: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx

It's pretty freaking funny!