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Yes, but dashboard is from Konfabulator so MDN shouldn't get cocky on this particular news.

we all know that M$ is a shallow, pathetic coproration. thanks to today's announcements most of the world will now realize that.

I personally think that they've shot themselves in the foot...

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MDN Editor - Are you retarded

Seems like most of Microsoft's R&D;time is spent at Apple.com

Go visit the MS Gadget site and leave (public) comments to the "team" on just how innovative they are:

http://microsoftgadgets.com/blogs/gadgetnews/archive/2005/09/13/3.aspx#comments

Realise what Steve? that MDN is the worst site EVER? or that Microsoft Invented Widgets and Gadgets...LOL

Knowone carez about CrApple besides the Tools living here at Microsoft Daily News.

And thew truth is, Everyone WILL think that MS innovated the product...Sad but true...

How lame is this getting.....? it really seems like Apple is the development company for Microsoft. It must suck to work there.. as they truly are shamless.

And Konfabulator is an idea borrowed from Desk Accessories in the classic Mac OS. Hey, let's have this argument again and again!

Tonight's little joke! Hahaha!

But - is it anyone out there willing to bet against me when I predict that in the future there will be PC-users who will claim that Apple has copied Windows?

Thought not.

What has happened before, most likely will happen again...

That would be really unny if it weren't so pathetic. They could do a whole Daily Show With Jon Stewart on this crap...

I also like the sidebar, which is Microsoft's name for a dock.

Microsoft should name it "Windows OS X" rather than Vista.

"Wonder how a cool idea goes from incubation to release?"

Microsoft can incubate all their rotten ideas from here to kingdom come... they're still not going to hatch!

Didn't you know that Micro$oftopoly invented everything? They even filed a patent on double clicking a mouse.

Shocking isn't it? What an in[competent]ovative company MS is. I'm in awe aren't you

A few yrs. back I had possession of a 128k mac. System 4.ish.
It amazed me:
On boot it asked if I wanted AppleTalk active?
And I could open and use all the DA's on the disk at the same time...8 in all.

Call it Vista beta-20.

Far Out!

a widget...i mean gadget?? for your Trash? I mean recycle bin...how lame! how is that more useful then a trash, i mean recycle bin icon?????

Irrespective of the whole Konfabulator/Dashboard argument it still means that Microsoft is copying/stealing an idea that has been done prominently twice already. How brilliant of them.

Whew- that’s a lot for the first blog post. We’ll be blogging throughout PDC. Feel free to drop us your comments (keep them constructive please) and let’s start the conversation.

- Sean


keep it constructive please. its like there asking us not bash them over ripping off yet another apple invention.

What I REALLY liked about the site was the the first respondent on the site.

It seems that microsft is *still* all hype and vapourware....

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# re: Welcome to the Gadgets Blog! @ Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:52 PM
Neat idea. Link to an actual description and/or sample would be great.
JD
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Will MS Gad-gets be a separate add-on? What will its availability be? Will it be a new must-have part of Longhorn/Vista/XPSP3? (These are serious questions, I didn't find the answers on MS's site. Any takers?)

If Gidgets is to be part of Vista, it'll delay Vista at least another two years. Also, given MS's proven track record on security, Gidgets will be a huge new security hole just waiting to be tapped.

First we have Ballmer freaking at developers to "give it up" for him, now we have MS pleading with the world to get going on Gidgets. Funny, at Apple Steve J. gets his own applause, and Widgets took off on their own. The differences in the company cultures are stunning.

Nice tongue-in-cheek comment on the Microsoft site:

Hi there,

the idea of these seem strangely familiar for some reason... just can't pin it.

Also- congratulations on the new glassy/bubble look that Vista is adopting... just proves how much Microsoft is capable of innovating- be careful someone like apple doesnt try stealing it now!

gadets+dashboard=konfabulator

cuppertino, redmond, start your photocopiers!

rob,

You're an idiot:

To those who wish to scream "Konfabulator," we present you "Apple Mac Desk Accessories" circa 1984:
http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_konfabulator

As I recall Widgets were originally supposed to be called Gadgets. SJ's slip of the tongue and we were left with Widgets.

The pinstripe on that MS page don't even line up. Notice how they go off center right where the Windows and Butterfly logos appear. Nice attention to detail, guys.

It seems that these Konfabulator guys were working for Apple when Apple was aquiring and implementing NeXT technologies, and that Widgets really came from NeXT. That's what I've deduced from my research.

Before getting panties in a bunch ... just wondering if this site is legit ... the WHOIS info for http://www.microsoftgadgets.com appears to be dubious.

people: get beyond the microsoft self-promotion. thats not the story here.
the story is the way they *intend* to use it.

-instead of the brain dead translucent apple on laptop lids, why not implement informational info storage-data retreival widgets in a window on the cover instead.

-use of widgets in the blue apple menu

people: learn to read and appreciate what other developers are doing. apple cant sit and let widgets lie on a separate level within the opsystem.
there are some good indeas in the microsloth info.

-instead of the brain dead translucent apple on laptop lids, why not implement informational info storage-data retreival widgets in a window on the cover instead.

*Because the laptop is a retail product and the lid/cover is reserved for branding.

-use of widgets in the blue apple menu

*You've effectively relocated the widget. It's still just a widget.

jay: the pinstipes: the actual problem comes from the original motif creator.
if you look at the shadow/reflection of each motif you will notice that the bottom od each does match up. the msn butterfly is simply taller than the windows logo.
however, that being said, yr point is still true, and is very well taken (and noticed!)
iuts why we love apple, isnt it?

Tools - not this time you weren't. Two others beat you.

Curious. Nice catch. This does seem like some side project.

"Before getting panties in a bunch ... just wondering if this site is legit ... the WHOIS info for http://www.microsoftgadgets.com appears to be dubious."

Ugh, good catch. I think we've all been snookered. A whois from Terminal doesn't look like anything related to MS.

BTW, how does one do a whois for microsoft.com itself? I keep getting a list of other sites, and not MS's info itself.

dfb, keep drinking the kool-aid. da's are not even in the same class.

I can't wait to see Monkeyboy CEO make another video showing the world how to use this 'cutting edge' technology...that would make it all worthwhile.

Andrew Hamilton
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DFB: "To those who wish to scream "Konfabulator," we present you "Apple Mac Desk Accessories" circa 1984:
http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_konfabulator"

While it is easier to post a link to an article rather than do any critical thought of your own, the linked article is *way* off the mark.

Konfabulator Widgets use a language that casual programmers can pick up to create pleasing front-ends to internet content or self-contained apps that can permanently reside on the desktop. They're also easy to open to tweak the work of others to meet your specific need. They're in sharp contrast to Desk Accessories, which were a closed system requiring Real Programming and were around only until memory got cheap enough to render them unnecessary.

The idea of simple coding and an open format really sets Konfabulator apart from DAs here. In fact, its lineage would be more closely linked to apps like FaceSpan and OneClick (yet no one points to *those* as prior art).

I think it's funny hear the same crowd that crowed so loudly about Dashboard being an original idea and a natural evolution now stand up in outrage about Microsoft stealing the concept. At least Microsoft changed the name of their mini-apps.

Im just shocked that they werent named something like Windows Vista WMA Enabled Low-Function Applications Environment 2500XPFSDFGH

Mac Daddy, you are right again. I wonder how many days before someone tells me that MS was ripped off by Apple.

ITS

A

FAKE

WEBSITE!!!!

THE KNICKER TWISTING CAN STOP NOW.

Somebody out there is having a real laugh at the people who are crying fould over this on that site - including me! i hate microsoft products - and love apple products - but some of the stuff on that site written by apple fans is nothing short of playground mentality in overdrive.

MS should called them Migets

Dashboard is based on Apple's Desktop Accessories from the original Mac OS. Konfabulator was only successful because it took the old idea and made it fit in with Mac OS X. Hardly surprisingly, Dashboard also fits in with mac OS X, thus making Konfabulator irrelevant.

I don't want my gadget micro and soft. :(

have you people checked out some of the blogs of the contributers?

i think this site is totally legit - but being down as a side project by the developers! most of them have links to it - and articles.

also from one of the blogs is this thing - very mac like

http://www.microsoft.com/max/

look at this!!!

the side bar has become pure dock like and no messing!!!

http://smakofs.members.winisp.net/blog/WindowsSidebar.jpg

A Different Rob -

The linked article acknowledges your distinction and credits OneClick as the missing link between Desk Accessories and Konfabulator.

Apparently, it's easier to scan an article then criticize its relevance than it is to read what's been cited first.

MDN's links are frequently off-base, but this one is right on, I'm afraid.

i just posted as on the following microsoft blog -

'...you've got to be kidding right?!?! at least acknowledge that Apple have been there, done it, bough the t-shirt and then put it up for sale on eBay!

hello?! http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/features/dashboard/...'

please keep the language clean though as one dumbass seems to have sworn all over the place.

http://galactic-patrol.blogspot.com/

If anyone actually went to the site, let me also add somethig I noticed. The background on the site.....the dark grey and light grey lines... it reminds me of earlier versions of OS X....I wonder if Vista's windows look like that and thats where the site got the idea....it wouldn't surprise me.

-Just thought you'd might like to know

Here's my favorite quote from the new <i>"http://microsoftgadgets.com/blogs/gadgetnews/archive/2005/09/13/3.aspx"<i>, the so called M$ Gadgets site.

"# re: Welcome to the Gadgets Blog! @ Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:14 PM
Why don't you just call it Windows OS X and be done with it?"

Oh, my side!

While I won't speak for whether or not the website is fake, the eWeek article shows that the concept is real and, yes, they are called "gadgets."

Seriously, since apple isn't advertising, how could people know Apple (or konfabulator) did this first?
Damn it Apple! Get a grip and show people (not us already in the cult ) how great Mac OS X really is and how much M$ copy it!

MacMania missed the best part of the delicious (and it is delicious) quote:
"Why don't you just call it Windows OS X and be done with it?"

It's credited to:

Paul Thurrott

oh my sides too

I want a chair throwing, Google killing, Steve Ballmer Gadget.

Oh yea, I want a Bill Gates "China F--ked Us" Gadget too.