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WHAT!.. WA WA WA WA WHAT!

when did apple copy windows? and how will vista surpass osX? what no examples?

The best part is that he writes an 20 chapter book on how it's going to suck big time...and then in his conclusion says:

"It some ways, Windows Vista actually will exceed Mac OS X and Linux, but not to the depth we were promised."

bahhhahahhh

Where is the real Thurrott?

I guess if I made my living writing about Windows IT I'd be getting a little worried now about job security. If Longhorn/Vista had come along as originally planned he would have had plenty to write about but without it he is just a lame duck.

Abandon Ship!

Paul is right.

Vista will certainly exceed Tiger and Leopard in the amount of security holes and the amount of easily available malware.

Ok, so microsoft does suck but with the advancing technology, would it really be that hard for lets say SONY to build their own OS?

or for DELL?

or IBM ?

On most levels, Vista will probably not even exceed Jagwire. Put the two systems side by side and you will still probably be more productive with Apple's five year old OS. I'm afraid that on this one, Bill Gates is kicking a high ball into a dead raccoon's dormitory.

Sure as shit, as soon as Vista hits, he'll be changing his tune and extolling the greatness of the OS.

Thurott's loyalty flaps in the wind like a flag.

PT biting the hand that feeds him? Mr WIndows Supersite? ROTFLMAO

Sadly, Vista will exceed Tiger and Leopard in unit sales, as well.

Andy wrote: "when did apple copy windows?"

Fast user switching...come on, even Jobs admitted it.

"Karma is a bitch."

I envision Bill Gates as a guest star on "My Name Is Earl." He gets out of a limo with his list of wrongdoings. Sixteen lackeys stumble out of the limo after him clown car style each carrying huge, heavy books. His 845,642 page karma list. Congress is impressed. The sweaty limo driver is Ballmer.

Andy wrote: "when did apple copy windows?"

Didn't Windows have contextual menus first?

that title is so misleading...at least - it's not what i took from the article.

he concludes by saying that vista is an incremental upgrade and "isn't what was promised."

regardless, microsoft has a monopoly and a (unfortunately) still in a great position and will still dominate the market.

market share probably will go in apple's direction...mostly for consumers. but don't expect any landslides of marketshare. a half a percent here and there...

"It some ways, Windows Vista actually will exceed Mac OS X and Linux, but not to the depth we were promised."

BULL$HIT! Vista is a steaming pile of turd, no doubt about it!!!

This guy cracks me up, he must own 50 pairs of flip-flops!

I cant wait for iPhone to come out.

andy -

a second mouse button...and a scroll wheel...

Isn't their CEO collapsing under his own weight?

I get the Vitsa = Windows ME, feeling

nice new icons built on a shitty half ass updated kernel

Okay, okay . . . so it's my own joke from yesterday. But what can I say? I'm usually ahead of my time:

Have you heard de latest? Microsoft and Paris Hilton are both in de news. Yeh-heh-hehessssssss, you heard correctly: Microsoft and Paris Hilton. Seem they're suing each other in Federal court in L.A.

Apparently they both claim to be de originator of de concept of sucking in public.

Probably more like an untrained private than a new kernel.

"In some ways, Windows Vista actually will exceed Mac OS X and Linux, but not to the depth we were promised."

This is French for "I don't know what they are, though."

MW: "wish" [how does it know?]

I wondered where that loud, annoying vacuum noise was coming from.

me -

apple have never used a scroll wheel on a mouse, the closesst thing is the mulktidirection ball on the new mighty mouse and using a second button is an option, did microsoft invent the second mouse button anyway?

microsoft could package dog turds in a plain white box and peecee users would still buy it.

wait a minute. they did that once before. it was called windows me... lol.

IIRC, Command-tab was in Next, and Windows snagged it from there, then Next became Mac. Right? Wrong?

MW: Former, as in command-tab was formerly in Next. The MW really IS magic.

Ampar, don't make me get corporal on your a**

But in general terms, you're correct.

The captains of industry will take note.

Vista is a major POS.

ok i stop now.

Sounds like Paul's M$$$$$$ check bounded again!

Not to worry he'll come around and in the end be good old Paul again - suckin up to gates yet again!

Sounds like Thurrott is looking for a new job down the road. maybe at macdailynews? na.

"Windows Vista actually will exceed Mac OS X and Linux."
Uhhh sorry Thurott, but by the time Vista comes out OSX Leopard will be released. It may exceed Linux but OSX, NOT! Not even close. And with the confusion that will errupt from 6 different versions of Vista, it will be a nightmare.

Don't forget, with the delay in the release time of Vista, MS has more time to cut more features, and more time to delay further, just in case they need to cut even more features.

Interesting banner... May be Steve was trying to tell us something. What if OSX is the Longhorn replacement. May be Windows Vista introduction was moved, so Apple and MS can have joint announcement for rejoining of Apple and MS forces in the personal computing world. As we wait for Leopard, they are busy implementing WinAPI on OSX and porting many of MS server codes, such as Exchange and IIS.

Why would Apple and MS consider uniting their OS? They have common enermy, Linux and Open Source software. Apple wants to sell hardware. MS wants to sell office applications. They may have to split the profit from OS, but their OS development cost will be shared too (I'm not sure if either one of them derive significant revenue from OS sales. For Apple, it is a mean to sell hardware. For MS it is a way to have upper hand over the competition for office applications).

If SJ has his way, the big losers will be Dell and other PC manufactures. We will suddenly see them embracing Linux and open source community. May be this explains departure of Avi and big shake up at MS.

Thurrott seems to be suffering multiple personality disorder. The dominant Thurrott realizes OS X is superior to Windows, but every now and then we get token flashes of the old, recessive Thurrott who still clings to the misguided notion that somehow Windows still has something over the Mac. Course, he won't reveal what that is...

i heart macdude: lol!

POS belongs in the loo! Tenants can smell it too. A chiefly rank odor. That warrants another delay until the company can recruit and quarter more help. Well, that's the corp of the issue.

'me' the multi button mouse was actually around when Xerox previewed the whole concept of a graphical user interface. Apple actually reduced the number of buttons on their version. Had nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft.

However it is nice to see Thurrott eat humble pie and admit all those Apple and Linux 'zealots' were actually right about microsoft. One presumes that calling someone who he admits is right a fanatic is a mutual interest his bum buddy Billy boy is no doubt discussing right this minute with the Chinese Premier. So much in common it seems.

"when did apple copy windows?"

Oh COME ON! You know that you are a completely blind follower of all things Apple when you say something like this. That said, I'm a huge Apple fan, but lets be real. MS HAS innovated some features in the past, especially during the "dark years". In my opinion Windows 95 was ahead of OS 7-8-9, simply because of the window minimizing system and overall speed. Apple retook the lead when they moved to OS X. It's clear that Jobs is the reason for Apple's successes.

And I'm worried about Thurrot. He seems to be developing a jekyll & hyde persona. If doesn't just admit that Apple is what he prefers soon, he may implode.

Funny line in the article... "But you'd have to be special kind of stupid to look at Windows Vista and see it as the be-all, end-all of operating systems."

Seems to say it all.

I don't think windows ever leapfrogged the mac. My recollection is that Apple has always been way ahead in innovation and ease of use. OS 9 was no exception. Maybe I am ignorant. I will admit my time on windows has been next to zip. Set me straight if I am wrong.

One more thing...

It seems that M$ has been so busy playing catch-up since they moved to a GUI that they have had no time or resources for innovation. It is so much easier to copy. Only M$ is really skilled at mangling the copies.

Meanwhile at the Death Redmond Star...


Dark Lord Ballmer - I sense a disturbance in the force

Emporer Gates - Yes, I have felt it too. Seems one of our loyal subjects has lost his brainwashing, see to it

Dark Lord Ballmer But if he could be turned back, he would be a powerful ally in our quest of the new Vista brainwashing

Emporer Gates - Nah, just beat him to death with a chair

Dark Lord Ballmer - As you wish, my master *hisss*

Window minimizing system? Apple used windowshading (yuck) and now the NeXT Dock thumbnails, but never copied MS's awful taskbar system.

In fact MS's taskbar was largely copied from Apple's Apple Menu and Control Strip.

Well, someone better send a copy of this story
to the Prez of China .... He's up in Redmond drinking
Starbucks with Billy-bob, and ignoring GW ...

Oh doncha just love it ?

"a second mouse button...and a scroll wheel"

That's more of a copy of Logitech, than M$ isn't it?

Does anyone know if you can get the Control Strip functionality in OS X?

That would be funny!

Denial ain't just a river in egypt.

Apple copies little things from all over--LITTLE details. All dvelopers do so.

Misrosoft copies BIG things. Like the whole overall glassy look of Mac OS X. Like so much more before that.

Apple copying MS does NOT = MS copying Apple. You just can't make that case with a straight face

MS did not invent the second mouse button. The original mouse had 3 (?) or so buttons and they were effectively a chording keyboard (along w/ a chording keyboard).

See the Mother of All Demos - NLS system.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos


We're all kind of still playing catch up to NLS and Xerox Star

http://xeroxstar.tripod.com/

"when did apple copy windows?"

Actually, I have a mutual copy one that I like--but it's old.

Back in 1991, when Apple introduced System 7, they added this thing called "Aliases", where one file could point to another one. You could tell an alias from a regular file because it's name would appear in italics.

The problem? Not all languages support italics. For example, there is no such thing as italic Japanese, Korean, or Arabic. So there was no way to tell an alias from the original file in those languages. Oops.

When Windows 95 came out, they added this thing called "Shortcuts" where one file could point to another one. You could tell a Shortcut from a regular file because the icon would have a little curved arrow badge in the lower right corner.

In Mac OS 8, suddenly aliases had both--italicized names and a very similar looking little curved arrow badge. So Apple copied Microsoft who copied Apple.

Speaking of copying each other...a couple of things I wouldn't mind included in OS X that are, in fact, Windows features (I use OS X and Win2k) such as;

when I close the last window in an app, I quit the app. In OS X, I often forget to "quit" an app after closing all the windows. Yeah, I know I can look at the dock and see the little arrow, but it can get overlooked more easily. Maybe if in the OS X prefs you could make that an option... so we can set up the OS to work the way we want.

Also, I like that any open window shows up in the taskbar, whether minimized or not. Clicking on the taskbar item toggles between minimize and 'bring to front.'

I don't like having to go the the "window" menu in an OS X app to check if I have any forgotten windows open in an app. No visual "cue" where I look for them.

And finally, I'd like one of the buttons on the windows to allow me to "maximize" to full screen any window I'm working in, not just to whatever size OS X thinks it needs.

I like the Win feature of being able to double click on the top of a window to switch to "max" i.e. full screen, or back to user set size.

These are all user preferences (meaning me..) that I'd like to be able to set in OS X... or not, depending on the user. Flexibility is the word. Despite being somewhat clunky, for this Mac user I have to admit that once I spent a significant amount of time with Win2k (out of necessity) I found that it was a bit more user configurable. Maybe that's the complications that get some folks frustrated about lack of simplicity, but I like having some UI options, and more control than OS X likes to give.

Having said that, I own aapl stock, love all Macs and consider myself definately in the Mac camp. Just waiting for the 2nd gen MacBooks Pros to come out...

Actually, the only PC only app I use regularly is Picasa/Hello from Google. I find Picasa more intuitive, believe it or not, than iPhoto. I wish there was an OS X version, but with Apple giving iPhoto away with new macs, I doubt it'll happen.

I see that your paycheck from Microsoft's PR/FUD department was late, again, eh Paul?