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Wow. Simply......wow.

More confirmation of the Truth of Dilbert.

Amazing. Simply amazing.

MW: cause, as in "MS hubris and incompetence is the cause of their collapse."

So true so true.

What's the difference between Mac OS X and Vista? Microsoft employees are excited about Mac OS X.

They can be as excited as they want, because if they want a job they will be using Vista

And that's the truth, Apple doesn't care about enterprise, see this:

http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2006/03/lingering_regre.html

this comes as no surprise. it's a wonder the hue and cry isnt louder.

MacDude:

To paraphrase the president, " don't you have a job to go to...".

In other words, stop posting inane, childish comments on here and get back to work - or school.

don't you have a job to go to...".

Your right, I've been using Mac's forever and I could have had a high paying IT job if I was trained on Windows.

Probally my own computer store...

I Build U A PC

My own corporation...

I Build U A PC, Inc.

My own website...

I Build U A PC.com


Oh but no... I'm using a platform that works so well that nobody will hire me as a serious IT tech.

So I come here on the Library Mac and annoy you, hahaha.

I sleep in the bushes when the Library closes and take a shower in the local pool too.

My life was ruined by Apple.

Ouch. That's gotta hurt!

Take it for what it's worth; Believe me or not:

The sentiment in that article is not all that amazing, and confirms what those of us on the "inside" have known for quite awhile now: Microsoft is an entity that has grown too big to be controlled.

Perhaps the biggest corporation in the history of human existence (depending on how you quantify the statement), and one that vies for technological leadership on a continuing basis.

And constantly fails.

And is being "run" by a salesman.

My heartfelt and long-pondered advice: Do NOT invest in this company.

Unless something major-league and systemically-altering happens here with the release of Vista, I predict it will fracture and implode over the next decade (if it takes that long) and either be split into smaller pieces or cease to exist. Or both.

There is a dark, dark, pall here. There is also very, very little open dialogue about what our "competitor" is doing or about how to "seize the day", so to speak. Why? Because there are no true leaders here - and certainly none that can compete with the vision of someone like Jobs.

Anyone who worked here at one time and had any of those qualities is long gone. Any possible other candidates, if they still linger, are keeping quiet for fear of their jobs.

I know whereof I speak.

This merely confirms the reports of very low morale inside Microsoft and the increasing difficulty they have in attracting and retaining the best and brightest. It is patently unfair to categorize Microsoft's engineers as "stupid"; they certainly are not, and many people who looked at the leaked Windows code had nothing but praise for their talents, particularly in finding work-arounds for the mess of spaghetti that is Windows. The often obscene comments embedded in the code were notable for the fury and frustration that the engineers felt at the entire unholy mess, and that they were being called on to polish up a big pile of excrement instead of writing something better.

Microsoft has simply been unable to capitalize on their in-house talent because of their culture. The marketers and MBA's have greater say than the engineers. The Mac Business Unit is the proof of this. They have much greater autonomy than the other units, and only a dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft hater could claim that they don't produce excellent software. They are only hobbled by the higher-ups who put the brakes on their work in order to maintain parity with the Windows versions of their offerings. It would be disastrous for the Windows unit if the MacBU consistently produced superior software.

MacDude,

It's an interesting read, but it's also what is known a anecdotal evidence. These days, you can find a blog from one person or another that has left the company and has a bad taste in their mouth for every company out there. This is one man's opinion, not some exciting expose.

Next....

Micro$oft execs should re-read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". If they keep announcing all these grand ideas, then don't deliver, soon no one's going to pay attention to them. And certainly no one is going to run out and upgrade to Vista until at least SP1 is out. My dad-in-law is just now upgrading to XP because M$ has announced they're discontinuing support for Win2K -- and his support guru has practically moved into the house to do the upgrade. DIL is not going to be rushing out to upgrade to Vista if it means replacing his software that he had to replace to work with XP (I gave him a $250 gift certificate to Fry's for Christmas -- he was very grateful.)

The most interesting thing about the comments was how overworked the peons over at M$ feel, and how demoralized...how everything seems to be caught up in red tape, and the "L61" "L80" and all the other demarcations of rulership. Haven't heard any leaks about that from over at Infinite Loop...wonder if Apple's seeing an increase in resumes with Redmond and Seattle addresses?

" Take it for what it's worth; Believe me or not:

The sentiment in that article is not all that amazing, and confirms what those of us on the "inside" have known for quite awhile now: Microsoft is an entity that has grown too big to be controlled.

Perhaps the biggest corporation in the history of human existence (depending on how you quantify the statement), and one that vies for technological leadership on a continuing basis.

And constantly fails.

And is being "run" by a salesman.

My heartfelt and long-pondered advice: Do NOT invest in this company.

Unless something major-league and systemically-altering happens here with the release of Vista, I predict it will fracture and implode over the next decade (if it takes that long) and either be split into smaller pieces or cease to exist. Or both.

There is a dark, dark, pall here. There is also very, very little open dialogue about what our "competitor" is doing or about how to "seize the day", so to speak. Why? Because there are no true leaders here - and certainly none that can compete with the vision of someone like Jobs.

Anyone who worked here at one time and had any of those qualities is long gone. Any possible other candidates, if they still linger, are keeping quiet for fear of their jobs.

I know whereof I speak."


Is that you Balmer?

man, what a sad sad day for microsoft. but you reap what you so. window's is crap, and vista is more crap.

note to microsoft: either sh*t or get of the pot. ya hear me!!!1

MacDude - you, Vista, and the ex-Apple employee's blog you reference are slipping so far into irrelevance it is not funny. Did you know that he had to shut down his comments a while back because they refuted most of his outdated assertions? Of course you didn't. You are, as I say, irrelevant. Not to mention bandwidth you eating up.

Maybe this is a big opportunity for Apple. If they were to produce a 'boxed' version of OS X that current PC users could install on their current PCs, even if it were a limited "trial" version, it might convince a lot of PC users to switch before they buy a new PC with XP installed.

All Microsoft has to do is, starting with the Christmas season, ship WinTel box's with XP installed and a certificate for a free Vista (or SP4) box when it ships. What's the big deal?
Unless. . . . they don't listen to me.

I love this comment:

I took part in a computer trade show early this month in Germany, and Microsoft was showing Vista, and the Microsoft fans were saying it looks like OS X (Apple wasn't there). Apple is on a roll, and we've just given them enough time to get the next version of OS X out the door (whatever animal name it is going to be). And we can guess right now what their marketing push will be: Stop waiting for those guys who can't even copy our old stuff in time. Get the original from us -- we ship on time, we're shipping right now.

Apple, are you listening? Get your advertising dollars to work and seize the moment. Now you have Microsofties telling you how to advertising your product over theirs.

Interesting Apple ad from the article: "Stop waiting for those guys who can't even copy our old stuff in time. Get the original from us -- we ship on time, we're shipping right now."

Apple has a perfect opportunity coming in this Holiday season. I just hope they start to ramp up production and advertise their computers. People will come running if they could see these computers in action. I can only hope Apple does not blow this opportunity.

Leopard will still be able to compete very well against Vista, but Tiger is so far ahead of XP. They just need to let people know it.

Priceless.

Sputnik . . . oh SPUTNIK!

Where ARE you, dear Sputnik? Eating some more crow, perhaps? Man, you must be getting tired of feathers and bones by now, huh?

When I first saw the Mac OS X demo at the Tokyo MacWorld Expo (forgot the year, about 7 years ago?), I stated to some Japanese guys working there to mark my words, "Windows will die within about 10 years". That's the first time I made that statement, and after buying and using OS X since it first became available, I have been even more convinced I was right.

Notice, I did not say MS will die (although stranger things have happened), but that Windows will die. I think the time is very short now...

MDN Magic Word: "provided", as in MS has provided Apple a great opportunity. Who would have thought...

now we know where the hackers are coming from!

Where's Spudnik? I'm sure his spin would be of interest to all of us.

Rats leaving a sinking ship! Or just wishing to?

Isn''t it time to up the 'Star Trek' project to 'Warp Factor 10', and get it running on those ugly grey 'Kling-ing on' ships (PCs).

Captain Kirk wouldn't have waited this long...

Oops! I meant Sputnik. Actually, maybe I didn't. And jimbo's so-called "anecdotal" evidence sure didn't sound like "one person or another". I don't think he read the article in any event. It was a s**t load of seemingly current MS employees, not "one man's opinion."

It looks like it really is as bad as we've been hearing. Microsoft would have been better of if the DOJ had split them in two. At least then one half wouldn't be saddled with Steve Ballmer as CEO.

Paul Thurrott's sentiments come to mind "Vista has all the makings of a train wreck." Paul could be right (for once).

Stop feeding the troll. Why don't you guys ever learn? Ignore him.

unbelievable..... I never knew it was this bad at MS. It looks worse that what Apple went through before SJ came back... seriously, will they be able to recover?

Apple did, but that's because of visionary leadership, a couple of timely products (imac, ipod), and some industry luck.

Will MS be able to find/create even one of these three?

Just what we have been saying for some long time now...

I love the expression: Microsofts's "mythological aristocracy".

To use the expression of David Cameron, Gates and Ballmer are analog men in a digital world...

Last word:- Apple needs to be wary of adopting the MS employees suggestion of licensing OSX to MS to distribute.. they might even fail at that too.

fearing the the rebirth of the clone wars....

(...and no I am not talking about Star Wars, learn your Apple history.)

Guys like Gates, et al., have for a long time conflated free enterprise with capitalism.

Capitalism's real goal is monopolistic power and privilege. This explains why so many companies go belly-up. They are not committed to innovation, design and, above all, their public, which are vital elements of a free enterprise system.

The goal of Apple is different. Apple's goal is to market superior hardware and software designed to meet the public's needs--not the needs of narcissistic CEOs.

Does anyone sense a train wreck coming up ahead?

MDN word: dark

Its looking kinda dark in Redmond.

Please, forget my previous behaviour.

I heart Apple.

It's just that I was abused as a child.

Oh, this sucks. I want a girlfriend.

My God! The disgust in those MS-employee comments outshine even most of the vitriol that can be heard in the MDN comments.

Microsoft Vista - Maybe they should rename it to... Microsoft Horizon.

I just have one question: Why does Jim Alchin still have a job?

MD, Go drown yourself you freakin' fat sack of lard.

You got fired from Apple 'cuz you ate all the coffeeroom donuts.

Please stay out of Canada, 'cuz we'll close all the TimHorton's, and hide all the TimBits.

[• Here's the way out: MS should swallow real hard, ante up half of what they blew on Longwind, and buy an OS X license from Apple. That would be about $10B up-front, and a hefty royalty. MS would have to assume the burden of making it run on all the crapbox PCs out there, which have had all the quality squeezed out of them, due to MS's having sucked up the lion's share of the profit from all PCs for the last 20 years or so. The benefit is that MS could finally ship a securable OS, and the users wouldn't have to lose countless hours trying to work around the malware. Meanwhile, the only semi-competent part of the company, the Mac Business Unit, would take the lead in Apps development.]
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Or better still, Apple can - on there own - offer OSX 10.3 Panther for the OEM 'PC' makers. And two months after Leopard ships, offer 10.4 Tiger.

Everyone in 'PC' land would be happy. Intel, Dell, HP, PC folk.

Well, everyone except MS. Ballmer would throw himself out a 'window'.

I felt the "rage" after spending $10K on a "useless" MCSE certification for NT and jumped to the Mac much earlier so I had some perspective on the situation. I walked away from "lucrative", because I knew in my heart that one day I would have to answer for taking folks to the cleaners because of bad operating systems that sucked away their business profits. I found a "better way" with Macs and my mission at macCompanion is to help others also find better tools to do their jobs.

'Bloke'

Some many moons ago, Strata sold their 3 products for shipping only (or something rediculously cheap). Afterwards, they sent out welcoome letters and offered updates to the newest version for a discount. It worked. They got me to do it. For less than $100 I had 3 very decent graphics and media programs.

Give 'em a taste, then they'll want to drink.

Robert Pritchett

You paid for an NT4 course? Why didn't you learn it out of a book in an afternoon like everyone else did? They had to be the easiest IT exams ever.

Typical NT4 exam question:-

A user in Accounts calls to say she can't log onto her PC. You check her account and it is not disabled, and the WINS database shows her PC as Tombstoned. What could be the problem?

A: The DHCP scope is fully allocated
B: The Planet Mars is in the House of Saturn
C: A dog
D: Don't use NetWare!!!

Rather expensive way to learn from a mistake. No wonder you were mad.

P.S. The answer you should have chosen was D. It was a Microsoft exam after all

Windows is the world “standard” for PC operating systems only because Microsoft has lowered the threshold for reliability and resourcefulness. Fortunately, others would prefer to raise the criteria for excellence and commercial relevance rather than diminish performance to a bare minimum of acceptability.

If ONLY Apple would actually advertise and market OS X, dammit!

It is great to see the evil empire struggle so. Yet, does it really make any difference to us in the orchard?

If "Longwait" never did show up, wouldn't the vast majorty of the computers continue to run Microsoft? They provide a standard opperating system and the world wants that.

As I have been led to understand, Steve wants it that way too. "Apple is not an enterprise company it is a consumer company."

If this is the case, I feel fortunate I can buy and use Apple computers and play my music on an iPod. Too bad about most of the rest of the world. Lucky us.

I couldn't agree more, 'Not Bill'.

Edgeley Exile 43;

Thanks for the humor.

Dumb me. I was working on PCs and networking systems for a year and also got my MCP and Internet certs as well, supporting a family and also working on a Masters degree at the same time.

I figured MS and MCSEs were an honest bunch. I was proved wrong. I flew on planes tha thad MCSEs working in Seattle at the time billing (bilking?) customers for over $700 per hour. Back then an MCSE was worth much more than the cert is today. Perception is everything.

I am a slow learn, slow burn kind of guy and what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger and maybe wiser.